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09-13-2007, 11:00 PM
UTG is 38/24 and MP is TAG. Here the problem. The cold caller on my left is 15/6/6 over 500 hands. Standart nit, doesn`t gets out of line. It`s not piscogay btw.

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MP ($50.20)
Button ($55.40)
Hero ($52.25)
BB ($44.50)
UTG ($26.95)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG calls $0.50, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $2.5</font>, Button calls $2.50, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $9</font>, BB calls $8.50, UTG folds, MP folds, Button folds.

Flop: ($23.50) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 4/images/graemlins/club.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets $10</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $23.50

jessicaalbiel
09-13-2007, 11:03 PM
wtf? with 4 people already in the pot bb is not just calling with kk or aa, you definitely have him beat, push

CyberianBull
09-13-2007, 11:05 PM
no way i fold this.. push push push

09-13-2007, 11:13 PM
jessicaalbiel/CyberianBull, thanks for replies. I just can`t see him cold calling 20% of his stack with AK here, Especialy considering his stat. I`m almost certain he can only have AA here, since I think KK he 4bets. If he thought that I was squeezing the loose preflop raiser and caller, he would have 4bet me preflop.

C4LL4W4Y
09-13-2007, 11:16 PM
dude, you have to have a pretty sick read to know you're beat here. that's a w/t fold and you know it.

09-13-2007, 11:26 PM
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dude, you have to have a pretty sick read to know you're beat here. that's a w/t fold and you know it.

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c4ll4w4y, thanks for reply. What range do you put villain on? According to his stats 15/6/6 he`s a winning player (I know only 500 hands). Also He`s aggro, but I haven`t see him get out of line, and my read is he wouldn`t make big mistakes, like calling for set value with bad implied odds etc.

Cold calling with AKs there is real bad too. Remember I`m pretty nitty myself, so that`s the image he has from me.

C4LL4W4Y
09-13-2007, 11:32 PM
15/6/6...i'm giving him TT and JJ a greater percentage than KK and AA. if you're weak/tight like villain preflop, then you're scared of all the action behind you with a hand like KK and AA. you don't want to trap more players in the hand, so you raise it. in reality, i think he's scared of all the action but likes his hand just enough that he can't let it go.

shoxbb6
09-13-2007, 11:35 PM
This is fine versus that nitty of a player

Kasane
09-13-2007, 11:36 PM
He has something like JJ or the unlikely QQ, and AK, he'd be raising anything else.

Your read may be slightly off, in that he doesn't know how to play a high mid-pp or AK when there's been a strong rr, despite being a winning nit. His raising range may be tiny, but I think the disparity in vpip and pfr indicates that he calls when he should be raising his too tight range.

Bet the flop, he'll call, then he'll fold turn when you push (I may be remembering stacks wrong.)

TT-QQ

traz
09-13-2007, 11:41 PM
Villain has JJ like 75% of the time imo

shoxbb6
09-13-2007, 11:44 PM
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Villain has JJ like 75% of the time imo

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Really? I pretty much only see KK-AA here when a nitty player coldcalls that large of a reraise.

09-13-2007, 11:45 PM
TT-QQ (AK), this is the range I would assign to a usual villain. I have checked several players with similar stats, and I have noticed that their small pfr is maindly due to limping small to medium pps in early and middle position. If he really is playing TT-QQ here this way, would be a big mistake, since I usualy Cbet every flop here, and even on a ragged flop or a flop, like the one that fell he wouldn`t know where he`s at in the hand, besides that overcards to TT-QQ would fall the mayority of the times. I didn`t bet the flop due to my read.

09-13-2007, 11:47 PM
correction. Overcards to TT-JJ would fall the mayority of the time. QQ is possible, but obv. less likely, since we are holding the other QQ.

traz
09-13-2007, 11:50 PM
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Villain has JJ like 75% of the time imo

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Really? I pretty much only see KK-AA here when a nitty player coldcalls that large of a reraise.

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I pretty much never see nitty players slowplay AA/KK like this

orange
09-13-2007, 11:57 PM
I would think that most players fastplay AA/KK. I would typically stack off here.

Craggoo
09-14-2007, 08:34 AM
I cant say anything about 50 nl, but i imagine its much like 25 nl. I have given people LOTS of opportunities to 4 bet KK and they hardly ever take it. I think his range is AK, AA, and KK only if 50 nl plays a lot like 25 nl.

Craggoo
09-14-2007, 08:36 AM
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I would think that most players fastplay AA/KK. I would typically stack off here.

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Are you as nitty as villain here? I agree that i ALWAYS fastplay AA and KK because being OOP in a 4bet pot on a board full of highcards ALWAYS BLOWS.

monkeymaps
09-14-2007, 09:14 AM
I dont see how villan shows up with AA or KK more often than TT JJ here.

09-14-2007, 09:56 AM
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I would think that most players fastplay AA/KK. I would typically stack off here.

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Are you as nitty as villain here? I agree that i ALWAYS fastplay AA and KK because being OOP in a 4bet pot on a board full of highcards ALWAYS BLOWS.

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I`m about 18/13/3

kaz2107
09-14-2007, 01:16 PM
im stackin off here 100% of the time. wut ever thrm says no one can fold an overpair boat is spot on here. and i cant fathom him cold calling KK so that leaves one hand that we r behind. presto shove