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Ramana
09-13-2007, 04:43 PM
I have 10k hands logged at 6-max NL50 and have been analyzing graphs with PokerPatterns and discovered that the overwhelming majority of my winnings comes from PP's. Is this bad or standard? Am I a setminer? What's your profit-ratio of pairs vs non-pair hands?

pairs AA-22:
http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/4726/pairstw3.jpg

pairs 99-22:
http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/1723/pairs9922tl4.jpg

all non-pair hands
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/6137/pairsnotve6.jpg

Sherman
09-13-2007, 04:45 PM
Show a graph that is more like 22-99. I certainly don't include hands like QQ+ as "set mining" type hands.

Ramana
09-13-2007, 04:53 PM
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Show a graph that is more like 22-99. I certainly don't include hands like QQ+ as "set mining" type hands.

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done

JimboNYY24
09-13-2007, 04:57 PM
Most of my profit comes from big pairs because no one folds top pair and you get them much more often than sets. Looks like you are the same way.

monkover
09-13-2007, 05:08 PM
lol just start play 22-AA...

rjacobs003
09-13-2007, 07:16 PM
I'm running about break-even for non-pair hands so pairs are generating all of the moola. Small sample but you might want to analyse which non-pair hands are hurting you - your losses with these look a bit big. Last time I did a stats analysis, I picked up some problems with connectors - might be a good place to start checking.

mackthefork
09-13-2007, 07:56 PM
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I'm running about break-even for non-pair hands so pairs are generating all of the moola. Small sample but you might want to analyse which non-pair hands are hurting you - your losses with these look a bit big. Last time I did a stats analysis, I picked up some problems with connectors - might be a good place to start checking.

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PT data can be a bit deceptive with SCs, it's worth while investigating the math behind those hand rather than relying solely on empirical data, due to the fact they dont get dealt as often as some other hands and they tend to win huge pots but rarely, so they suffer much more from variance than say AK.

Mack

Jamougha
09-13-2007, 08:17 PM
You are obviously going to lose a lot with non-pair hands because you are losing a lot in the blinds.

ama0330
09-13-2007, 08:23 PM
standard

09-13-2007, 11:35 PM
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standard

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yea same here...

off topic: the combination, name of the post and your avatar got me tilting /images/graemlins/grin.gif

rjacobs003
09-14-2007, 06:56 AM
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I'm running about break-even for non-pair hands so pairs are generating all of the moola. Small sample but you might want to analyse which non-pair hands are hurting you - your losses with these look a bit big. Last time I did a stats analysis, I picked up some problems with connectors - might be a good place to start checking.

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PT data can be a bit deceptive with SCs, it's worth while investigating the math behind those hand rather than relying solely on empirical data, due to the fact they dont get dealt as often as some other hands and they tend to win huge pots but rarely, so they suffer much more from variance than say AK.

Mack

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Good point Mack. I suppose you would need a massive sample to start drawing conclusion just on the basis of the data. I do use the data to identify leaks but I tend to soend mroe time then analysing specific hands e.g. found from the data that I was cold-calling with suited connectors alot of the time and then started digging into hands to indentify reasons, etc.

ukcoolcat
09-14-2007, 07:24 AM
Thought everybody set mined! obviously when the odds are favourable.

Craggoo
09-14-2007, 08:56 AM
Not everyone does (at least i dont). i would say the cutoff for calling in the blinds is 66 and below. However, if the button has been stealing blinds all day i will re-raise 77+ all day and show him my hand to convince him to stop bullying my blind.

kokiri
09-14-2007, 10:51 AM
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You are obviously going to lose a lot with non-pair hands because you are losing a lot in the blinds.

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yes - as a rough estimate 10k non-pair hands = 1666 orbits = $1250 in blinds posted @ $50NL but you've lost only ~$600 over those hands.

alexDJI
09-14-2007, 11:22 AM
This thread got me to look if I'm up with non-pair hands, and I'm break even. My stats aren't near those of a set-miner though.

ev_slave
09-14-2007, 11:29 AM
I just searched for PokerPatterns and came up blank. What is it?