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YesMehFriend
09-13-2007, 02:38 PM
This is more of a line check. Villain was 10/3/1 over 40 hands - must have been from a previous session didn't remember him. Didn't realize anything from him this session.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: 2+2 Forums)


Hero ($24.40)
BB ($15.05)
UTG ($11.25)
MP ($15.05)
Button ($25.75)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $0.25, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1.5</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG folds, Button calls $1.25.

Flop: ($3.50) J/images/graemlins/club.gif, 3/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $2.5</font>, Button calls $2.50.

Turn: ($8.50) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero ...


I went for b/f the turn. Anyone like a check? (if so how to proceed from there?). Some Js should be in is range but are smaller pps in it too? Like 66?
Milky
09-13-2007, 04:55 PM
I think b/f is a good line against this guy
faarcyde
09-13-2007, 05:24 PM
I agree with bet fold as well, you can be getting a lot of value from lower pairs. If he raises the turn, I can't click fold fast enough, especially someone with those stats.
JimboNYY24
09-13-2007, 05:31 PM
I like check/fold against these kinds of villains. Maybe I'm wrong (and if I am wrong obviously ignore me) here but I doubt he bets without a jack. If he checks behind then maybe try a valuebet on the river as he sometimes shows up with a mid pocket pair.
faarcyde
09-13-2007, 05:32 PM
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I like check/fold against these kinds of villains. Maybe I'm wrong (and if I am wrong obviously ignore me) here but I doubt he bets without a jack. If he checks behind then maybe try a valuebet on the river as he sometimes shows up with a mid pocket pair.

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I think that is a terribly weak play. Check folding QQ, even with someone who is tight/passive?
monkover
09-13-2007, 05:47 PM
if we b/f do you think villain is going to raise hands that have us beat? i donīt think so. we donīt gain anything from betting except charging fds...
potentialpro
09-13-2007, 05:49 PM
i would checkraise all in since if you check you look very weak and he probably doesn't have a J maybe an underpair or a A high trying to bluff.
monkover
09-13-2007, 05:55 PM
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i would checkraise all in since if you check you look very weak and he probably doesn't have a J maybe an underpair or a A high trying to bluff.

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lol... what do you achieve by a c/rai then that you donīt schieve by c/c? this line obv sucks...
Quester
09-13-2007, 06:11 PM
Free cards make baby jesus cry. Lead for like 5. Fold to a raise. He's too passive to check this, and his range is still larger than Jx/33/22.
KCrow
09-13-2007, 06:38 PM
As we're OOP we should bet here, there are flush draws and under pairs 66,88,99 etc. None of these hands are raising on the turn. We've got some value out of the hand, checking here gives flush draws a free card and may well encourage the villain to try and take the pot down. I'm happy to take the pot here.

I think if we had position we could aford to check here for some pot control. Any thoughts?

Oh yeah I reckon bet $5 and fold to a raise.