NL10 JJ 4-way pot with shortie all-in

[Bill Smith]

I'm at work, so I'm reconstructing this hand from memory. All reads were over a short sample of about 30 hands.

Important stacks/reads:

MP (65/20/2): $10.70
CO (45/8/0.8): $12.20
BTN (Hero): $35.50
BB (unknown): $ 1.50

Absolute 0.10/0.20 NL

Preflop: Hero is BTN with J /images/graemlins/club.gif J /images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG folds, MP raises to 0.20, CO calls, Hero raises to $1, SB folds, BB pushes all-in for $1.50, MP calls, CO calls, Hero calls.

(My 3-bet could've been slightly bigger, but it wouldn't have changed the end result. Can't re-open the action after shortie moves all-in)

Flop: ($6.00) 6 /images/graemlins/club.gif 5 /images/graemlins/club.gif 4 /images/graemlins/spade.gif
MP bets $1.50, CO raises all-in to $10.70, Hero...?

[Perk76]

Fold on the flop.

[KingOfSwords]

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Fold on the flop.

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I'm thinking that Shorty makes that reraise with a wide range of hands and there's a good change we're ahead against him. If anyone else is ahead of OP, they're not giving us a compelling reason to fold. I could raise all in once the action gets to me. It's quite likely we get heads up against Shorty with a lot of dead money in the middle.

[skibbel]

instantshovepreflop

[KingOfSwords]

Oh, and as played, I'd fold the flop.

I agree with Perk in that folding>calling after the short stack shoves. But OP shoving>OP folding.

[skibbel]

you can't be serious. call flop.

[Bill Smith]

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instantshovepreflop

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As I mentioned in the original post, the all-in bet from BB was too small to allow me to reraise when action got back to me. The only options software allowed were call & fold.

[skibbel]

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[Perk76]

Add AA/QQ/AcKc/AcAc to the hand ranges, MP didnt get a chance to reraise due to the all in preflop, and big suited cards are favored over JJ at this point also.

Whats the % after widening the range?

[skibbel]

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 49.911% 47.64% 02.27% 49995 2381.50 { JcJs }
Hand 1: 50.089% 47.82% 02.27% 50182 2381.50 { 44+, A6s, 86s, 76s, 65s, 54s, A6o, 86o, 76o, 65o, 54o }



Hand 0: 45.771% 43.39% 02.38% 40810 2237.50 { JcJs }
Hand 1: 54.229% 51.85% 02.38% 48765 2237.50 { TT+, 77-44, AcKc, A6s, 86s, 76s, 65s, 54s, A6o, 86o, 76o, 65o, 54o }
call.

[Perk76]

1. Calling 10.70 to win 18.20 if MP folds.

2. Calling 10.70 to win 25.90 if MP calls.

If MP calls, the range would have to be smaller, ? Sure seems like this should be a fold. What am I missin?

[skibbel]

oh my math is obv [censored], sorry.

[faarcyde]

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equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 49.911% 47.64% 02.27% 49995 2381.50 { JcJs }
Hand 1: 50.089% 47.82% 02.27% 50182 2381.50 { 44+, A6s, 86s, 76s, 65s, 54s, A6o, 86o, 76o, 65o, 54o }



Hand 0: 45.771% 43.39% 02.38% 40810 2237.50 { JcJs }
Hand 1: 54.229% 51.85% 02.38% 48765 2237.50 { TT+, 77-44, AcKc, A6s, 86s, 76s, 65s, 54s, A6o, 86o, 76o, 65o, 54o }
call.

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I think those hand range calculations are pretty useless given the retarded four-way action going on. I would say he is beat 80 percent of the time here.

[Bill Smith]

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equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 49.911% 47.64% 02.27% 49995 2381.50 { JcJs }
Hand 1: 50.089% 47.82% 02.27% 50182 2381.50 { 44+, A6s, 86s, 76s, 65s, 54s, A6o, 86o, 76o, 65o, 54o }



Hand 0: 45.771% 43.39% 02.38% 40810 2237.50 { JcJs }
Hand 1: 54.229% 51.85% 02.38% 48765 2237.50 { TT+, 77-44, AcKc, A6s, 86s, 76s, 65s, 54s, A6o, 86o, 76o, 65o, 54o }
call.

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I think those hand range calculations are pretty useless given the retarded four-way action going on. I would say he is beat 80 percent of the time here.

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I think the shortie is mostly irrelevant here. Chances are we are well ahead of the range he pushed with and still are on this flop.

MP's beat looks relatively weak given that the board is so wet I wouldn't want to slowplay anything, so most likely a feeler bet or draw. As for CO, I think his range is even wider than the above: 99/88/87/A7s are all possible, and AcKc definitely doesn't cover all the club possibilities. I don't have Stove right now obv, but can we run it up against two hands of roughly the same range?