NL25 - had odds?

[ABCofPKR]

Ok, did I have odds to call? how u play that hand with a gut shot and 2 over cards?

vilain 31/20/2

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB ($47.60)
BB ($27.25)
Hero ($25.65)
MP ($24.65)
Button ($54.55)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $3.5</font>, Hero calls $2.50.

Flop: ($7.10) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $3.5</font>, Hero calls $3.50.

Turn: ($14.10) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $9</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $14.10

[whyzze]

fold flop. folding &gt; raising &gt; calling


with stats like his you should consider 4betting preflop

[kroeliewoelie]

I don't like calling the flop. Basically you are hoping for 1 of 3 cards on the turn, since you don't like Jc either. That surely doesn't give you the odds to call.

You might raise the flop, since his bet is somewhat weak, but some more information about villains betting and 3betting tendencies would be nice there. If you don't like this, I would definitely prefer folding to calling.

Have you been in any 3bet before with villain?

[ABCofPKR]

nopz, hadnt!

i will start raising flop in spots like these; TY.

but, what is standard pre flop? raising or calling? is it correct to go all in pre flop with AKs, cause if I 4bet think he will prob push, and if he calls Ill be in really bad shape...

[CobraGoat]

raise or fold flop. I fold. you are ~8% to hit your gut shot on turn so thats like what 9:1, villain is giving you 3:1 with obvious implied odds on the gutter ball but not enough to make this call profitable IMO.

Had you made this raise in the CO or Button and had been laggro lately, i would say 4bet the flop. but BB is 3 betting your UTG raise, that tightens his range a great deal. so much so that i don't think you can be at all comfortable labeling your clean turn outs above 4.

[mookboi]

What! I convince myself I have 10 outs and call this flop all day. He only bet half the pot, and got like $20+ behind.

[orig!naL]

why not 4-bet pre?

I also fold on the flop.

[ABCofPKR]

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What! I convince myself I have 10 outs and call this flop all day. He only bet half the pot, and got like $20+ behind.

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lol thats what I thought...

dont like raising cause I get commited...

dont like folding cause its pretty WEAK...

fold for a weak bet like that imagine he bets with like evereything.... I dont know

[Lego05]

Prolly 4bet pre-flop.


Fold flop, fold turn.

[Milky]

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Prolly 4bet pre-flop.


Fold flop, fold turn.

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If you 4bet pf, are you folding or calling a shove?

[kolotoure]

4-bet pre and obv call a shove.

As played, fold flop

[YanP]

I 4-bet pre against a 31/20 (or whatever he is) with AKs All day.

Folding to the flop bet i think is weak ass, don't think i'm raising the flop. i fold the turn if unimproved (and i'm a little concerned by the A or K) After raising pre you're hand is a lot easier to play.

A friend always says to me, "if you're properly rolled never fold AKs for 100BB unless you have a v.good read"

[RiverHebrew2]

You're implied odds are... ok. The problem is if you do turn the Jc, what's you're action? Do you expect to get paid? I'd c/f the flop tbh because you're playing OOP and you just have two overs+gutshot. ONLY card you really like is offsuit J. If you hit it, good players will check behind turn for pot control on that card, especially with hand like AQ, KK, or AA IMO. Therefore ur probably not gettin paid much but ur losing a decent bit of $ on flop. If Jclubs comes on turn, opponent probably always checking behind turn and you may get some value on riv, and if A or K comes you might lose a big pot to a better hand. C/f on flop is prob best...

[ABCofPKR]

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I 4-bet pre against a 31/20 (or whatever he is) with AKs All day.


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think you got the meaning...


31/20 I will 4 bet everytime... after reading all the opinions...

calling a push I think is good either... btw, if I 4bet and he calls. Now Im the pre flop raiser; if he is not a donkey he will check the flop if he heats and if not, and now that Im the pre-flop raiser I must c-bet... getting commited and not folding for a push...

so?! 4bet and c-bet? getting committed... or 4bet and call a shove if he pushs...

right?

pre flop: calling &lt; fold &lt; 4betting

[Lego05]

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Prolly 4bet pre-flop.


Fold flop, fold turn.

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If you 4bet pf, are you folding or calling a shove?

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Calling.

[Craggoo]

Anybody who is suggesting c/f the flop is far too weak tight. That might be ok in tourneys where you cant reload. This is not the case here.