KT 3 streets cross posted

[orange]

villan is passive post and very loose pre. i've seen him limp alot. he gets mildly aggro when he does have a hand.

saw this one: i open in CO, sb (villan) calls, BB squeezes with AA, i fold, sb (villan) calls. flop comes 89xr, sb(villan) c/c-es, turn comes T, sb(villan) c/r-es small with QJo and stacks the AA.

so yeah, fairly passive i would say. hero shouldnt have any history just playing a tag game.

Absolute Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
6 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)

Stack sizes:
UTG: $202.20
UTG+1: $427.65
CO: $83.15
orange: $399
SB: $245.30
BB: $412.94

Pre-flop: (6 players) orange is Button with T/images/graemlins/heart.gif K/images/graemlins/spade.gif
3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">orange raises to $6</font>, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: T/images/graemlins/club.gif 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif ($13, 2 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">orange bets $10</font>, BB calls.

Turn: 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif ($33, 2 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">orange bets $25</font>, BB calls.

River: 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif ($83, 2 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">orange bets $55</font>

thoughts? i'll go street by street after.

[Peter Harris]

i like it given villain, you're probably being looked up by weaker pocket pairs and all weaker Ts, 7s and 5s you're not being raised by hands you lose to, so the value is all there baby.

What's the fuss?

[traz]

looks ok i think. Villain probably looks you up with 44, 88, 99, Tx, 7x, 5x...and it'll be an easy laydown if he raises.

Alot of times I become a wuss bag and check behind here because I never know what donks are calling 2 streets with...i'm not sure how big of a leak this may or may not be

[Lego05]

Passive...but does he call down with weak hands?

89 got there, diamonds got there. I probably bet the turn. But I'd check behind on the river.


Also is there a reason for the raise to 6 pre-flop?

[orange]

Lego,
I raised to $6 pf in position. I like raising smaller in position, helps with pot control, makes it easier to steal with hands like 78o without risking as much, etc.

And yeah, its an easy b/f all around.

[ama0330]

I can see the logic, "he didnt raise when all the draws hit so he doesnt have any of them" but IMO the pool of hands which a)you beat and b) are going to call this river bet are so small that for me this is an easy check behind. Note that I think you have much bigger stones than me...

[Eric Draven]

He's a passive player, so the flop is fine... but will he showdown with a worse hand than you have is the question? Is it a situation where only better hands will call?

B/F seems okay to me though.

[AZplaya]

if were expecting to get called by any pair, and maybe even A high, I like it. I think your behind a pretty good chunk of the time here though.

[orange]

I posted this hand because I think that value betting is definitely an area in which many players (myself included) need to improve on. Oftentimes our opponents are very loose and generally passive, so we should take advantage of this.

[ama0330]

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I posted this hand because I think that value betting is definitely an area in which many players (myself included) need to improve on. Oftentimes our opponents are very loose and generally passive, so we should take advantage of this.

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ok so in this hand you have made the bet. what was your range for villain at the time?

[sightless]

I like this river value bet vs the right opponent. I would just bet less on river around half pot so he would call us wiht a lot more hands

[traz]

I thought the same thing as well Sightless. If I were to be this river, it'd probably be $45. Just psychologically speaking, I think this is more likely to get a call from weaker hands, but it's not really a big deal

[Peter Harris]

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I thought the same thing as well Sightless. If I were to be this river, it'd probably be $45. Just psychologically speaking, I think this is more likely to get a call from weaker hands, but it's not really a big deal

[/ QUOTE ]

The difference in % calling $45 and % calling $55 is likely negligible in an $83 pot. Why not maximize?

[huhwhatyousay?]

Looks pretty good. r:{Tx,7x,99-88}, and maybe r:{5x,44-22} will look you up here. I'd bet $22 on the turn and $42-$48 on the river vs. this villain, but that's just personal preference.

[BetweenTheLines]

[ QUOTE ]
Lego,
And yeah, its an easy b/f all around.

[/ QUOTE ]

Seems like I have to valuebet more often, I understand the
bet/fold logic,but if we play against those loose passive
callingstations (AF 0-1) do they allways reraise with hands
which us beat?In those spots I'm allways afraid to bet 3 streets because I think that they like to call down even with hands like flushs or 2pairs because they are so passive.In your experience do they allways wake up when they have something big?

[orange]

ama,
my range for villan is:

worse Ts, combos on the turn like 78 or a pair turned FD, obv stuff that beat me like 98/64/sometimes higher 2p like T7, underpairs like 88.