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BetweenTheLines
09-11-2007, 11:21 AM
Ok this a general problem I had in the last days,I think
reraising AK preflop is standard but at the moment it's like
burning money for me,think I have leaks in playing reraised pots.
for example:
Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker (http://www.legopoker.com) Hand History Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh))

SB: $18.10
BB: $30.70
UTG: $25.15
CO: $21.30
Hero (BTN): $23.15

Preflop: Hero is dealt K/images/graemlins/spade.gif A/images/graemlins/heart.gif (5 Players)
UTG calls $0.25, <font color="red">CO raises to $1.10</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $3.90</font>, 3 folds, CO calls $2.80

Flop: ($8.40) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 8/images/graemlins/club.gif 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 Players)
CO checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $5.50</font>, CO calls $5.50

Turn: ($19.40) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 Players)
CO checks, Hero checks

River: ($19.40) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">CO bets all-in for $11.90</font>, Hero folds
Uncalled bet of $11.90 returned to CO

Pot Size: $19.40 ($0.95 Rake)

I mean there is often a board like this if you miss,undercards sure (ok the example is bad because its very connected). But is there value in cbetting? I mean he will not fold a lot of pp here?Another question how big to make the cbet,people say in rr pots you can make your cbets smaller like half the pot,but seems that people see that as weakness if you only bet half pot?And what about the normal donk-callingstation if he calls the rr will he often enough fold to make it profitable,?

Another sidequestion in which scenario do you like coldcalling preflop with AK?

So maybe I have just shortterm problems but I hope that some
experienced players can help me to improve my game in these
spots.

ciro bonano
09-11-2007, 12:16 PM
I play it exactly the same; what do you beat on the river besides AT? I think he folds the flop enough (missed pockets, AK, AQ, KQ, etc) to make cbetting profitable, and you got a free card for it.

I'd need a very good read to coldcall AK preflop, saying that villain folds preflop early but would stack off with AQ etc on a Axx board.

orange
09-11-2007, 12:27 PM
this is actually one of those flops i wouldnt mind checking.

its unlikely he'll fold his TT or whatever. that flop hit alot of his range. i like checking in position and probably giving up.

traz
09-11-2007, 12:43 PM
In position I check this alot, oop I bet alot

MrWooster
09-11-2007, 12:44 PM
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In position I check this alot, oop I bet alot

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Please could you explain why...

Lego05
09-11-2007, 12:50 PM
In 3bet pots my c-bets are generally ~2/3 pot.

I think I'd probably bet this although checking is fine too unless the villian calls 3bets with a very wide range, but like normal gives up on flops that missed him.



I like never coldcall with AK pre-flop.

blue10cj
11-16-2007, 03:41 AM
pretty standard
i play it the same

vixticator
11-16-2007, 03:49 AM
I tend to c-bet when miss more often than not but it REALLY feels like spew every single time.

DonkeyOnTilt
11-16-2007, 03:53 AM
AK and all 2 overcard type hands can be real trouble. This flop is one I would be more inclined to check given the coordinated nature of the board. I think this is pretty standard and I wouldn't give up on AK and similar hands just because they haven't been kind recently. Just remember the cardinal rule not to overplay your hand and you should do just fine.

matrix
11-16-2007, 08:23 AM
coldcalling with AK preflop is like teh suck.

Play it like the nuts that it is preflop - and play cautiously with it postflop.

as played I'd check that flop - it's connected and lots of villains range will have hit it. If we check the flop an dvillain leads smallish on the turn we can call/fold depending on how big his bet is - whether we think he has a worse missed hand than we do or something better - what our odds might be etc. River is def a fold as played. rarely we are folding the best hand here - but it costs so much to find out if we are ahead it's not worth it in the long run.

cbets in 3bet pots ought to be be a little over halfpot when playing 100bb stacks - basically you want to be able put villain all-in easily for a PSB on the turn if you choose to. A CB here of $4.50 is a better size - villain is short and will be calling ~$13 then on the turn into a pot of ~$17.

Cbetting ~2/3 as a standard in 3bet pots I think is a leak. If people view yout 1/2 pot CB sizes as weak in 3bet pot then bet half when you have the goods and push OTT of their raises - a half pot bet threatens villains stack entirely ina 3bet pot there is nothing weak about it. There are very few villains I think that would call/raise a $4.50 bet here and fold to a $5.50 bet in your hand because i's bigger - if they are calling one they are likely calling the other - and you get no advantages I can see with the larger bet amount.

dmoney
11-16-2007, 11:57 AM
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this is actually one of those flops i wouldnt mind checking.

its unlikely he'll fold his TT or whatever. that flop hit alot of his range. i like checking in position and probably giving up.

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I prefer to bet here IP or OOP about 80-90% of the time.

Imo you must bet this often even if it did hit part of villains range so that a) your hand doesn't look so transparent and b)for when you do have big pairs/sets you want to ensure people play with you when they have 9T and hit top pair hands or A8 and such.

My game requires that I cbet a large % of the time regardless of the flop because I bet almost all of my missed hands as well as my monsters.

For along time I 3bet AK pre no matter what, however i've been trying to pin point the fish that will go broke with worse aces when they hit the ace and have been trying to call pre with it hoping to get their stack on the flop. (Only when In position) I always 3 bet AK oop.

In this specific situation, I would shove turn given he could have JT, or 2 diamonds pretty easily. He only has 1/2 pot left. I think your AK is good here way more then 1/3 of the time.