NL50: Standard turn JJ overpair fold? 170 BBs deep

[illegit]

Villain is 16/12/8 over 300-ish hands, and is currently 12-tabling. No real siginificant history between us. My image is TAGish, running at like 19/15/2 on this table.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

SB ($90.35)
BB ($216.60)
Hero ($87.05)
MP ($44.25)
Button ($74.60)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif.
Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, SB calls $1.75, 1 fold.

Flop: ($4.50) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3.75, SB raises to $10, Hero calls $6.25.

Turn: ($24.50) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (2 players)
SB bets $20.50, Hero folds

[foal]

Ugly, def comes off like a set though. He could have 9Ts, but I'd fold here too.

[sightless]

you can probably fold on the flop

[CarmeloAnthony]

i'm folding or calling mixing it up according to villain's play. With the small sample stats given above i'm folding and picking a better spot.

he's showing 2p+ here since hes 12 tabling and i don't think he wants to create huge pots oop while playing so many tables.

[TheRenaissance]

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Villain is 16/12/8

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Hmmm, I'm not sure this is a set.
I see tags do this with 56/9T and pairs like 55/66/99 too.

He does seem very strong when he leads turn though. Bit torn on this one, as I see many players with tagish stats play spewtastically after the flop. Wish we had a better read than numbers.

[traz]

I'm really not sure what the best line is, I hate getting checkraised and then lead into. But this isn't always 2pair+...tons of pp's will do this if they don't believe you. Against some villains I'm fine with calling the turn with the intention of checking/folding on the river.

If I'm calling the flop raise, I find it hard to fold now.

[illegit]

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Villain is 16/12/8

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Wish we had a better read than numbers.

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Me too, and after 300 hands I usually have quite a few notes, but had none on this villain. Which means I haven't seen many hands he's played go to showdown.

FWIW, after I call the flop CR, he has to be giving me a range of about 77-AA, 22 (after i opened UTG), so I don't see why he'd go wild with like 99 or TT against that range, which crushes them. And i also don't think he ever slowplays QQ+ pf.

EDIT: Also, during the hand, i looked at how often he CRed flop, and it was 1/26.

[Eric Yang]

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EDIT: Also, during the hand, i looked at how often he CRed flop, and it was 1/26.

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definite fold on flop then.