NL25 donk lead v unknown

[MaltbyStu]

Villain is 7/0 after 15. Tight stats but not reliable here.

What do you do here, it's the first hand he's raised and obv first c-bet. What's standard for an unknown against this donk lead?

I'm uncomfortable with the "raise to find out" answer, if he pushes I have a tough decision. Calling seems weak though?

Stu

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UTG ($24.65)
MP ($27.05)
CO ($15.10)
Hero ($28)
SB ($24.05)
BB ($23)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1.25</font>, SB calls $1.15, BB calls $1, MP calls $1.

Flop: ($5) K/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $2.5</font>, BB folds, MP folds

[JROK777]

Raise it up to atleast $7.50. I'd raise ATC after villian donks 1/2 pot into me to this amount. If villian shoves, do we call?

[Eric Yang]

i would raise.

KK would have reraised and I dont think KJ is really part of his cold call range although I guess he might. JJ is of course a possibility but I think AK or KQ is more likely.

I'm pretty sure if we raise he's not going to shove though because of this... but if he does i think we have to fold. unless you've been really pushing him around with continuation bets, but it doesn't look like that's been happening.

[DaycareInferno]

unknown limp/call from mp is a pretty wide range. i think this is Kx most often, followed by QT, followed by 22/KJ. there really aren't any hands you beat realistically in play that are going to push on you. AK is pretty unlikely limp/called, and KQ probably won't shove. if he hadn't made such a small bet, i'd be pretty tempted to just call on the flop, since that is likely to get as much value from kx as anything else, while minimizing some damage from 22. in this case, i think this is just one of those rare situations where i would probably raise/fold. i don't want hands with 5-8 outs getting off that cheap, and that's going to be the case much more often than 22/KJ.

[gregorio]

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Raise it up to atleast $7.50. I'd raise ATC after villian donks 1/2 pot into me to this amount. If villian shoves, do we call?

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I often donk sets into a pf raiser and love it if you raise me with any two, but in this hand, agree you should raise the flop. If villain shoves, depends whether you think he is more likey to CC AK or pocket pair PF. I prolly fold to a push since he can't have an overpair. 10-high flop i would call push since AT, TT-QQ and maybe KK would be in his range, but here i think it would have to be AK or set.

[Falconsbane]

I'd re-raise to about 7 and fold to a push.

[Nick C]

Well, I think that if you raise, it should be because you're looking to get your stack in on the turn.

Villain's bet only looks slightly weak to me, by the way (he is making a 1/2 PSB on a king-high board into three players, including a PFR). It also looks a little trappy.

Is it AK/KQ making sure the flop doesn't check through? Is it QT trying to set a price? Is it KJ or better looking to bet/3-bet or bet-call and then pounce on the turn? Beats me, but I think just calling is a legitimate option here.

[Nick C]

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I prolly fold to a push since he can't have an overpair. 10-high flop i would call push since AT, TT-QQ and maybe KK would be in his range, but here i think it would have to be AK or set.

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If it's AK or a set that's pushing (which sounds about right, although our read on Villain is sketchy and I don't want to completely rule out KQ or KJ), then 40 percent of the time we're going to have Villain crushed instead of being crushed ourselves (AK is 6 combos, sets are 9 combos).

Which sort of makes a raise-fold seem like a bad plan.

[MaltbyStu]

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Well, I think that if you raise, it should be because you're looking to get your stack in on the turn.



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Yes, my plan was if I raised I was felting.

If we call, do we fold to a reasonable turn bet? What if he checks, do we just try and get to showdown as cheap as possible?

Stu

[Waingro]

I stack off here 100% of the time against an unknown. Raise to $9 and call a push. In my experience Kx is just too common here along with some other random crap.

[Nick C]

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Well, I think that if you raise, it should be because you're looking to get your stack in on the turn.



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Yes, my plan was if I raised I was felting.

If we call, do we fold to a reasonable turn bet? What if he checks, do we just try and get to showdown as cheap as possible?

Stu

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I think that if you call, you have to be willing to keep doing that. Well, unless Villain open pushes the turn or something.

Given that, I suppose the case for just popping it does improve. If Villain has a monster, he's probably not going to let you off easy unless he decides your call means you have something like QQ and hate that K on the flop. Meanwhile, will he find a fold with AK? Probably not. With KQ? Well, he might. And then there's QT, which isn't drawing as well as Villain might think, but I doubt that's what he has anyway.