NL50 turn top two and get raised

[chris216]

Co was kind of a calling station, so I decided not to raise preflop. Does anyone raise pf? What do you do on the turn?

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UTG ($44.30)
MP ($46.95)
CO ($55.80)
Button ($39.80)
Hero ($57)
BB ($10.75)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls $0.50, Button calls $0.50, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($2) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1.5</font>, BB folds, CO calls $1.50, Button calls $1.50.

Turn: ($6.50) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $4.5</font>, CO folds, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $10</font>, Hero ???

[whyherro]

bleh, this is kind of a gross spot. this really, really looks like a set of 4's or T9. The only hand I can really see him making this raise with weaker then yours is like Q8 and your own hand....

[mookboi]

I shove.

[Suited_Queens]

How often do you see a shortstack almost minraise on the turn without having the nuts?

[Keitan]

Bet more on turn.. I think folding is best here tho a shove can't be terrrible. Really ugly spot

[members_only]

Raising pre-flop would be really aggressive.

Like everyone else, I'm kind of equivocal about the turn. Was villain unknown?

[Keitan]

Btw i usaully would raise preflop but ok not to imo

[sightless]

how can you do anything but call?

[members_only]

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how can you do anything but call?

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what's your plan for the river?

[Lego05]

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how can you do anything but call?

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what's your plan for the river?

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Check call IMO.

[Spanky1974]

I've been trying to open up my game lately, and I don't have a problem raising broadways against loose limpers. I normally will raise more than 4xbb+1 oop in this situation. Need reads on button and yourself for the turn. If he plays really straightforward and limps sc's and pp's on the button and normally doesn't get out of line, the turn is a fold.

[sightless]

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how can you do anything but call?

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what's your plan for the river?

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get it all in if a queen or a jack falls
and probably c/c if i miss

[LegendLength]

No need to raise preflop with two limpers, one a calling station. On turn, board is still very dry so he's clearly representing a set or T9 for a straight.

It's possible he has Q8 or Q4 but I would play it conservatively and fold. No shame in check/calling a small river bet though. Turn shove seems unnecessary.

[ShipitFMA]

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No need to raise preflop with two limpers, one a calling station. On turn, board is still very dry so he's clearly representing a set or T9 for a straight.

It's possible he has Q8 or Q4 but I would play it conservatively and fold. No shame in check/calling a small river bet though. Turn shove seems unnecessary.

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WHY DO YOU SHORTSTACK?

[fees]

shoving and folding are close to the same EV.. it just depends on what the game plays like in ur expierence..
fwiw i raise

[mr_npiv]

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how can you do anything but call?

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what's your plan for the river?

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Check call IMO.

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If your gonna fire more chips into this pot, i'd prefer a shove now.

And to the OP, Raising this hand preflop, would have saved u this marginal situation.

There are no other real draws out there, so if you have any reads on this guy, it would be quite helpful. The right play for the villain to make with a straight is raise the turn.

However I find most players, would probably call here, its what they do. slowplaying fools /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[chris216]

Button was completely unknown. Since his raise was quite small, I decided to call and see a river.

River: ($26.50) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero ???

Villain has $27.80 left. What do you do? Check-call?