NL50 - Quads, but I don't think I got full value

[CaptDrew]

Haven't posted in a while. Actually took a month long break from poker but am back in the saddle.

This hand is the second at this table. I don't have any reads, am out of position, and it's a blind battle to boot. Check that, maybe the only read I have is the table is listed as a 30% with 8 dolla avg pot.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($50.70)
Hero ($49.50)
BB ($50.95)
UTG ($37.35)
MP ($11.15)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 3/images/graemlins/club.gif, 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2</font>, BB calls $1.50.

Flop: ($4) J/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $6</font>, Hero calls $3.

Turn: ($16) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets $6</font>, Hero calls $6.

River: ($28) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $20</font>, BB calls $20.

Final Pot: $68

My question is the turn play. I thought seriously about raising, but I wasn't sure what amount he would call if he had a weak Q or J and still commit on the end.

Okay, shoot.


-CaptDrew

[Spurious]

raise flop
raise turn as played
river is fine as played

[Spinners]

make it $20 on the turn, that will allow you to get it all in on ther river.

[CaptDrew]

Spinners - the problem is that villain only has 36 after his bet on the turn. If all he has is a weak Q or J, then I lose him with a $20 raise there, I think. I also believe that more often than not he does have a weak Q or J in that spot. But I'm probably wrong.

-CaptDrew

[Rounder101]

I think you got quite a lot of value out of it.
I agree on raising flop and turn, turn; maybe a weak Q is even calling, altough after calling your PF raise he doesnt have a weak Q here IMO.
I doubt he would be minraising with a jack, it seems to be something like AQ KQ QJ QT or KT.

[CaptDrew]

Rounder - thanks for the reply. I know I got good value, but did I get full value? Is there a way to stack this guy?

[wingchunflush]

hmmmm how good is this guy I mean is he a solid player? If he isnt good maybe a min reraise on the flop would be good. I dont like a full reraise because I think this guy could be raising you with any Q especially bad ones. I think I would either do a small re raise on the flop or lead the turn. Lots of people do that at the micro limits lead each street hoping youll give up. Lead the tun watch him raise you then get it in, is probably what I would do.

[Rounder101]

Yeah u couldve stacked him. If you want to play for stacks you gotta do so on the flop and turn. Thats the best way for stacking this guy. Playing it otherwise, probably guarantees getting a little more but not stacking him. Raising might make him fold sometimes, but u get a lot more value when he has something.
I would always reraise flop, and as u played it, I dont see raising the turn as something that would end the action, since the 3 is not a scare card for him.

[Lego05]

I'm fine with just calling his raise on the flop. But then check raise the turn.

[Waingro]

I would 3bet the flop to $14. I would be surprised if he folded mid pair if he chose to play is like this. I can guarantee you he isn´t going to feel better about his his crappy queen with 5 cards out instead of 3.

[kindergartencop]

i think flop is good, just c/r the turn a bit so you can lead the river all in.

[fees]

if u take this line c/r the river

[mr_npiv]

I would have made a 1/2 sized pot bet on the turn, faking some sort of draw, and trying to induce another raise.

The check is a little weakI find, But it worked out for ya.

The way you played it now, I would have raised the turn, Get more money into that pot, try get all the chips by the river.

[CaptDrew]

Thanks for the responses all. I knew I didn't get full value out of this hand, but was having trouble seeing where. I think the best course of action would've been to three-bet the flop then try to get it in on the turn.

[Xylem]

I think u did ok.

You went for the sneaky line that is probably most profitable against someone with a marginal hand - which of course is likely in a blind battle.

Its possible if u raised flop and were lucky enough to find him with Aq Jq or even kq? that u would have stacked him but generally BB is just trying to win this battle.

[Rafpig]

I like your flop play, but I think you had to check-raise the turn.

[CasinoR7]

Villian makes a very weak bet on the turn, I would wait 5 seconds and then raise it up to 14 dollars after his bet. Make it look like you are trying to represent a three, but he won't put you on any unconnected/unpaired low cards because you raised preflop. A pair of three is very unlikely to have, especially when you play it aggressively.

Most people slowplay hands like this. If you don't play your good hands aggressively, your continuation bets and second or third barrels won't make any sense in case you are bluffing. It's your second hand at the table, you want to show your opponents that you are going to raise with solid hands.

In your case, where you didn't show any strenght on the turn, I would have check raised the river, even if you think there is no point in raising. There is nothing to lose by raising instead of calling on the river. You have the nuts. The pot is already big after his 20$ river raise, so he might have felt pot commited there.

[ryang]

i like flop, i'd raise to 15 on turn, ai on river.