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09-09-2007, 01:18 AM
As per the topic I don't want anyone to think that everything I say is gospil, I'm writing this as much to get my own thoughts in line as to get some thoughts and feedback out there. Because of this the post might semi ramble!
On to the subject donk-bets. Firstly what is a donk bet, a donk bet is a bet into the pre flop raiser. Usually it's classified by people as a weak hand, middle pair, TPNK or a pp etc. Some people may do it with trips etc. People usually deal with donk bets by raising, even with air expecting the weak hand to fold.
Ok, why should you donk bet. If you have a weak hand check raising bloats the pot and you might be putting in alot of money behind. Calling a bet however doesn't usually give you any information on the opponent as he would usually cbet, and you are possibly giving a free card to a hand you are ahead of. Often people will call then bet the turn with their weak hands. So with a weak hand donk betting can win you a small pot when your opponent misses while risking the least amount of money. Unfortunately most opps know this and thus raise donk bets with any2 cards.
Donk bets can also be used as bluffs. On an Ace high board donk betting into someone could fold out the preflop raiser if he doesn't hold an ace. Similarly if the flop is less likely to have hit the opp a donk bet will often work as a bluff, ie an 8,3,3 board or a J,7,2 board. Donk betting into a 3flush board or a coordinated board such as 6c,7c,8d seems like a good bluff to me as the opponent is unlikely to continue, thinking that this has hit your range reasonably hard and that he could be drawing dead.
One donk bet play I really like is calling with AK in the BB vs a UTG or UTG+1 raiser. When the Ace flops and you bet frequently he will raise with a weaker Ace which can help maximise value with AK, where as reraising preflop may scare away AJ or ATs.
Another hand which works really well donk betting into people is a reasonable draw, like overs+flush or middle pair + straight draws. When you bet into people you gain fold equity and you are happy to bet/3bet if they do raise you which again adds fold equity. I'm still not sure how much I like donk betting sets and 2pairs, you may lose some value if they fold when usually you would check raise their cbet, I guess this is very villain dependant.
My questions for you guys are where do you donk bet and how do you deal with it? Obviously these are board and villain dependant but I would be interested in your thoughts.
Thanks for reading (:
On to the subject donk-bets. Firstly what is a donk bet, a donk bet is a bet into the pre flop raiser. Usually it's classified by people as a weak hand, middle pair, TPNK or a pp etc. Some people may do it with trips etc. People usually deal with donk bets by raising, even with air expecting the weak hand to fold.
Ok, why should you donk bet. If you have a weak hand check raising bloats the pot and you might be putting in alot of money behind. Calling a bet however doesn't usually give you any information on the opponent as he would usually cbet, and you are possibly giving a free card to a hand you are ahead of. Often people will call then bet the turn with their weak hands. So with a weak hand donk betting can win you a small pot when your opponent misses while risking the least amount of money. Unfortunately most opps know this and thus raise donk bets with any2 cards.
Donk bets can also be used as bluffs. On an Ace high board donk betting into someone could fold out the preflop raiser if he doesn't hold an ace. Similarly if the flop is less likely to have hit the opp a donk bet will often work as a bluff, ie an 8,3,3 board or a J,7,2 board. Donk betting into a 3flush board or a coordinated board such as 6c,7c,8d seems like a good bluff to me as the opponent is unlikely to continue, thinking that this has hit your range reasonably hard and that he could be drawing dead.
One donk bet play I really like is calling with AK in the BB vs a UTG or UTG+1 raiser. When the Ace flops and you bet frequently he will raise with a weaker Ace which can help maximise value with AK, where as reraising preflop may scare away AJ or ATs.
Another hand which works really well donk betting into people is a reasonable draw, like overs+flush or middle pair + straight draws. When you bet into people you gain fold equity and you are happy to bet/3bet if they do raise you which again adds fold equity. I'm still not sure how much I like donk betting sets and 2pairs, you may lose some value if they fold when usually you would check raise their cbet, I guess this is very villain dependant.
My questions for you guys are where do you donk bet and how do you deal with it? Obviously these are board and villain dependant but I would be interested in your thoughts.
Thanks for reading (: