I flop an OESFD and get c/r by a TAG.....

[HoldEmNewby]

Villain is an unimaginative TAG. Meaning I doubt his range is Ax here. He's either got 2pair, a set or a combo draw of his own. Is pushing here still the standard?

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker (http://www.legopoker.com) Hand History Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh))

SB: $50.00
BB: $106.15
UTG: $73.99
Hero (CO): $52.76
BTN: $85.50

Preflop: Hero is dealt 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif (5 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2.00</font>, BTN calls $2.00, SB calls $1.75, BB folds

Flop: ($6.50) A/images/graemlins/club.gif 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $4.00</font>, BTN folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $16.00</font>, <font color="red"> Hero....

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allin

[shoxbb6]

Have to get it all in, lots of dead money in the pot and you have a lot of equity versus even a super tight range

[HoldEmNewby]

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

24,750 games 0.046 secs 538,043 games/sec

Board: Ac 6d 5h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 31.127% 31.13% 00.00% 7704 0.00 { 8h7h }
Hand 1: 68.873% 68.87% 00.00% 17046 0.00 { 6c6d, 6c6s, 6d6s, 5c5d, 5c5s, 5d5s, AhJh, AhTh, Ah9h, Ad6d, As6s, Ad5d, As5s, Ah4h, Ah3h, Ah2h, Ad6c, Ad6s, Ah6c, Ah6d, Ah6s, As6c, As6d, Ad5c, Ad5s, Ah5c, Ah5d, Ah5s, As5c, As5d }

when I push here and I win 71.26x.31=22.096
when I push here and i lose 44.76x.69=30.8844

So technically my push is -EV. I'm always pushing here but am I wrong for doing so?

[HoldEmNewby]

this would be this players standard range in such a spot, however is there a human element that i'm missing where he'll deviate and make this move with junk from time to time, or that i'll have FE on this flop? I need 25% FE if my above range is right.

[members_only]

You've limited his range to sets and nut flush draws, and assumed that you have no fold equity against the latter. That seems a bit pessimistic

[huhwhatyousay?]

Standard shove. Dead Money + FE = +EV.

[HoldEmNewby]

I even gave stats and none of the nits came out. Regardless I shoved and felt good about it. Still wanted a line check. Thanks all.

[Spurious]

I think calling is a much better option in this spot.
You said he got either twopair, set or NFD.
Therefore you are dominated most of the time.
He wont fold any of those hands, so there is no FE.
There is not enough money in the pot to justify a call, therefore i call and reevaluate on the turn.

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Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

24,750 games 0.046 secs 538,043 games/sec

Board: Ac 6d 5h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 31.127% 31.13% 00.00% 7704 0.00 { 8h7h }
Hand 1: 68.873% 68.87% 00.00% 17046 0.00 { 6c6d, 6c6s, 6d6s, 5c5d, 5c5s, 5d5s, AhJh, AhTh, Ah9h, Ad6d, As6s, Ad5d, As5s, Ah4h, Ah3h, Ah2h, Ad6c, Ad6s, Ah6c, Ah6d, Ah6s, As6c, As6d, Ad5c, Ad5s, Ah5c, Ah5d, Ah5s, As5c, As5d }

when I push here and I win 71.26x.31=22.096
when I push here and i lose 44.76x.69=30.8844

So technically my push is -EV. I'm always pushing here but am I wrong for doing so?

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Run it again after changing the 6d to 6 of hearts.