October 13th 2007 UIGEA Anniversary

[DeadMoneyDad]

October 13th is the anniversary of passage of the UIGEA bill. This gives us some time to discuss some ideas on a various ways to mark the day as poker players. While it was discussed in another thread, perhaps it deserves it's own. I’d also suggest one on the PPA forum.

D$D

[oldbookguy]

Yes, I agree, this needs a thread of it's own, at least for now.

The accurate / specific dates we need be concerned with:

Passage: September 30,
Signed by Bush - October 13

We have a little time to get organized if we wish to stage a virtual march, both dates are important and both need recognition, I believe.

obg

[DeadMoneyDad]

Well given all other factors I think we could use the extra time.............

[oldbookguy]

Yes, but we really do not have that much time.

Coming from a business and NGO / Quasi-Government background I know any successful campaign takes some time and pre-promotion to build excitement.

If the PPA is going to endorse and be involved in this, early teaser notices need to be sent out to members soon so that, well, excitement can begin and talk started, kinda pumping up the team.

obg

[Grasshopp3r]

We should send every member of Congress a poker chip stating that we are voting for our freedom. They should be black chips with the date of the UIGEA. Actually, as I think about it, that would be a good promo for the PPA to do and they could be card protectors. The chipheads at www.chiptalk.com (http://www.chiptalk.com) could come up with better designs and concepts.

[DeadMoneyDad]

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We should send every member of Congress a poker chip stating that we are voting for our freedom. They should be black chips with the date of the UIGEA. Actually, as I think about it, that would be a good promo for the PPA to do and they could be card protectors. The chipheads at www.chiptalk.com (http://www.chiptalk.com) could come up with better designs and concepts.

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I've got a poker freindly printer who also has poker chip keychains can put PPA logo message on easily.

D$D

[Merkle]

I like this idea.

[oldbookguy]

OK, now we are really thinking and using our brains for more than counting outs amd calculating odds!

1. We need the PPA on board and a campain to raise funds.
2. Someone folks in Washington, with prior publicity, to deliver, one chip for evey PPA member to congress.
3. A local D.C. company that can produce that many chips in a week or so, all colors and dated.

This of course would be supported by letters and calls from members all over the country to our reps.

obg

[DeadMoneyDad]

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OK, now we are really thinking and using our brains for more than counting outs amd calculating odds!

1. We need the PPA on board and a campain to raise funds.
2. Someone folks in Washington, with prior publicity, to deliver, one chip for evey PPA member to congress.
3. A local D.C. company that can produce that many chips in a week or so, all colors and dated.

This of course would be supported by letters and calls from members all over the country to our reps.

obg

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Depending on how fancy you want to get you're looking at less than $3 per piece assuming 4 colors and printing on both sides. A rough estimate. Tried uploading an image but having problems it's 1 1/2 inches around and a lighted keychain.

D$D

[niss]

I am a tightwad, but I would donate to make this happen.

[DeadMoneyDad]

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I am a tightwad, but I would donate to make this happen.

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Well I've also gotten a great price on quality bumper stickers.....

D$D

[Merkle]

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I am a tightwad, but I would donate to make this happen.

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$ 3.00 for the keychain? How much for the poker chip?

Hmmm... I guess I can donate my entire winnings this year of $6.00 to the cause. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Grasshopp3r]

I am going to post on the chiptalk site and see if I can get some interest. More to come.

[oldbookguy]

good, we need though to get the PPA on board.

This will cost a few dollars, we can really get by with just chips, all black of course.

obg

[DeadMoneyDad]

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I am a tightwad, but I would donate to make this happen.

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$ 3.00 for the keychain? How much for the poker chip?

Hmmm... I guess I can donate my entire winnings this year of $6.00 to the cause. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

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Less than 3 for 4 color print 2 sided on a lighted poker chip keychain.

Depends a little on set up and vol.

D$D

[Grasshopp3r]

Here is the posting on chiptalk, which has some amazing stuff.

http://www.chiptalk.net/forum/custom-chi...otest-chip.html (http://www.chiptalk.net/forum/custom-chip-design-request-hire/40161-help-me-design-uigea-protest-chip.html)

Here is a US designer that uses Chipco, a US company.
http://www.homepokerchips.com/order.htm

[TruePoker CEO]

I'll try and think of something appropriate for a site to do. Suggestions are welcome.

[DeadMoneyDad]

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Here is a US designer that uses Chipco, a US company.
http://www.homepokerchips.com/order.htm

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Homepoker is six to eight weeks.......

D$D

[Grasshopp3r]

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Here is a US designer that uses Chipco, a US company.
http://www.homepokerchips.com/order.htm

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Homepoker is six to eight weeks.......

D$D

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Don't give me your negative feedback. If they can't do it, then obv someone else will step up. I want results, not excuses.

edit: The first 1,000 can be done in 2 weeks from artwork approval. Arwork can be done in days.

Contact Gene at http://www.abcgiftsandawards.com/pokerchips.htm

or Joe Daley at Palm Imports: http://www.palmimports.com/

Designs will be posted soon. Joey is stepping up. Thanks, Joey.

[DeadMoneyDad]

I posted a variation of the following post to each of the top 25 poker site forums listed in "PokerSiteScout" Top Poker Information Sites (http://www.pokersitescout.com/PokerInfoSites.asp) .

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Saturday October 13th marks the Anniversary of the passage of the UIGEA.

I am a new poster here, but active in other forums. Either here or on the other forums I would appreciate suggestions as well as any volunteers.

There have been some positive recent changes in the PPA, IMO. I would suggest those with past problems with the PPA give it a look. PPA's homepage: http://www.pokerplayersalliance.org/

While there forum is something of a backwater, perhaps we can spark a little activity, here a link to my post http://webringamerica.com/4/pokerplayersalliance/viewtopic.php?t=1677


D$D
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The results were interesting.

PPA Forum views 18
PokerNews doesn't post views
CardPlayer 27
PokerStrategy I couldn't join
WSOP couldn't find a forum
PokerAffiliateWorld 19
PokerPages 3
FT Fourm 33
TheHendonMob 28
PocketFives doesn't show views
sharkscop couldn't find a forum
CardsChat 67 and I was 4~5 hours late missed it the first go round. 16 replies; mostly about the PPA pin
Bluff Mag 5
PokerWorks not received reg confirm yet....
NeverWin 49 1 reply; was called a "pussy" for some reason...
PokerTips wouldn't let me register
Poker.com more reg problems
BonusWhores said that the PPA didn't have an offical forum and I couldn't spam my own forum.....

The first round I only followed those site that had a link on the list.

D$D

[coachkf]

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I posted a variation of the following post to each of the top 25 poker site forums listed in "PokerSiteScout" Top Poker Information Sites (http://www.pokersitescout.com/PokerInfoSites.asp) .

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Saturday October 13th marks the Anniversary of the passage of the UIGEA.

I am a new poster here, but active in other forums. Either here or on the other forums I would appreciate suggestions as well as any volunteers.

There have been some positive recent changes in the PPA, IMO. I would suggest those with past problems with the PPA give it a look. PPA's homepage: http://www.pokerplayersalliance.org/

While there forum is something of a backwater, perhaps we can spark a little activity, here a link to my post http://webringamerica.com/4/pokerplayersalliance/viewtopic.php?t=1677


D$D
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The results were interesting.

PPA Forum views 18
PokerNews doesn't post views
CardPlayer 27
PokerStrategy I couldn't join
WSOP couldn't find a forum
PokerAffiliateWorld 19
PokerPages 3
FT Fourm 33
TheHendonMob 28
PocketFives doesn't show views
sharkscop couldn't find a forum
CardsChat 67 and I was 4~5 hours late missed it the first go round. 16 replies; mostly about the PPA pin
Bluff Mag 5
PokerWorks not received reg confirm yet....
NeverWin 49 1 reply; was called a "pussy" for some reason...
PokerTips wouldn't let me register
Poker.com more reg problems
BonusWhores said that the PPA didn't have an offical forum and I couldn't spam my own forum.....

The first round I only followed those site that had a link on the list.

D$D

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D$D - pm'd you. Feel free to post this info in our poker strategy forum (http://www.poker-strategy.org) (not the same one listed in sitescout!). You'll get views and suggestions and I'd be happy to donate to the cause as well.

If the link in this post is not allowed/gets deleted, that's fine. Just google "poker strategy org" and you'll find us easy enough.

I generally try to keep our members updated on poker legislation, but a fresh, knowledgeable voice would probably help stir up action.

[DeadMoneyDad]

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Here is a US designer that uses Chipco, a US company.
http://www.homepokerchips.com/order.htm

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Homepoker is six to eight weeks.......

D$D

[/ QUOTE ]

Don't give me your negative feedback. If they can't do it, then obv someone else will step up. I want results, not excuses.

edit: The first 1,000 can be done in 2 weeks from artwork approval. Arwork can be done in days.

Contact Gene at http://www.abcgiftsandawards.com/pokerchips.htm

or Joe Daley at Palm Imports: http://www.palmimports.com/

Designs will be posted soon. Joey is stepping up. Thanks, Joey.

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As far as design suggestions, my thinking takes me to something we might also be able to use elsewhere like the KY race....

Perhaps the PPA logo on one side and "Poker Players Vote!" on the other? Just an idea.

D$D

[Uglyowl]

I'll donate some, good idea.

[DeadMoneyDad]

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Designs will be posted soon. Joey is stepping up. Thanks, Joey.

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As far as design suggestions, my thinking takes me to something we might also be able to use elsewhere like the KY race....

Perhaps the PPA logo on one side and "Poker Players Vote!" on the other? Just an idea.

D$D

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Boy I hate answering my own posts.

BUT.

I had a D.C. acquaintance that got caught up in the Jack Abramoff -- Bob Ney scandal. Part of that involved poker chips. We may want to give this some more thought before we get to married to the poker chip idea.


D$D

[niss]

I can't imagine that printing poker chips with a political message, which have no value, can cause us any trouble. I think you're perhaps being a little over-sensitive. The poker chip is a great way to get our message across. It's perfect.

[coachkf]

Yeah, poker chip seems pretty harmless. Easy to hand out, great symbol of poker.

You could do a custom deck of cards with a similar message like "Poker Players Vote" on the back. Bill Frist as the queen of spades (she's the b!tch, when playing hearts, right?).

Chips would be a lot cheaper to mass produce though, no?

[IndyFish]

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Yeah, poker chip seems pretty harmless. Easy to hand out, great symbol of poker.

You could do a custom deck of cards with a similar message like "Poker Players Vote" on the back. Bill Frist as the queen of spades (she's the b!tch, when playing hearts, right?).

Chips would be a lot cheaper to mass produce though, no?

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Love that Frist idea. NH sir.

[Grasshopp3r]

Post your ideas for a chip design. If you can post images, that would help, too. Here are some of my ideas:

Ceramic textured chips in all cases.

1. Start with a black background. PPA logo on one side encircled by the website address, http://www.pokerplayersalliance.org and "Poker Players Vote!" on the edge spots. On the back, "UIGEA" in flame text curved above 10.13.06 in the middle and "America's Game" on the bottom.

2. Start with a flame background on one side and black on the reverse, with the PPA logo encircled by "Keep it Legal" in thirds. Edgespots with "America's Game" and/or the website http://www.pokerplayersalliance.org . The flame background will have "UIGEA" in black with October 13, 2006 in the middle and "Prohibition Will Fail" under.

3. Start with a US Flag motif on one side and a faded black on the other. Same text as 1.

Do you get the gist of what I am trying to convey? Any comments?

[Legislurker]

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Post your ideas for a chip design. If you can post images, that would help, too. Here are some of my ideas:

Ceramic textured chips in all cases.

1. Start with a black background. PPA logo on one side encircled by the website address, http://www.pokerplayersalliance.org and "Poker Players Vote!" on the edge spots. On the back, "UIGEA" in flame text curved above 10.13.06 in the middle and "America's Game" on the bottom.

2. Start with a flame background on one side and black on the reverse, with the PPA logo encircled by "Keep it Legal" in thirds. Edgespots with "America's Game" and/or the website http://www.pokerplayersalliance.org . The flame background will have "UIGEA" in black with October 13, 2006 in the middle and "Prohibition Will Fail" under.

3. Start with a US Flag motif on one side and a faded black on the other. Same text as 1.

Do you get the gist of what I am trying to convey? Any comments?

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Or you could add one with an apple pie as a background.

[Grasshopp3r]

Good idea.

Maybe fantasy baseball and horse racing images, too?

[Grasshopp3r]

Here are some designs from Maegnus of Chiptalk. Please give me your comments.

http://www.chiptalk.net/forum/custom-chi...otest-chip.html (http://www.chiptalk.net/forum/custom-chip-design-request-hire/40161-help-me-design-uigea-protest-chip.html)

[DeadMoneyDad]

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Good idea.

Maybe fantasy baseball and horse racing images, too?

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A big thank you to Grasshopp3r for leading this effort so far. He wrote John and Grasshopp3r ask me to follow up. He also gave me the chip maker contacts. I followed up and had a great conversation, and even learned a lot about chip making and the vaious issues involved.

I think we have at least manufacturer willing to help in the fight for poker in all aspects. From a little checking if he's making a profit it's damn slim from what he quoted me. He had some great ideas for other ways to make an impact and offered to help with contacts in other fields.

Grasshopp3r a HOME RUN IMPO!!!

Give it up for him,


D$D

[tangled]

Maybe a good title/theme for the day's focus should be a paraphrase of Barney Frank's description of the UIGEA - The Dumbest Law Ever.

And maybe create a supporting manifesto as to all the reasons that is so.

For example, the regs will probably not be out by then. We can argue that the reason they are delayed is because it is nearly impossible to write working, practical guidelines for this law because it is so very flawed - The Dumbest Law Ever.

[Uglyowl]

I really really like the idea. Bravo to all involved.

[DeadMoneyDad]

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I really really like the idea. Bravo to all involved.

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Well Grasshopp3r's great contact said doing the PPA logo on one side for future use, you could have any message on the other without running up and addition cost to change it. I think it might be possible to get more than one message on the back in the same run. Some protest messages and come commerative ones thanking those that show up???

We're talking casino quality chips!

D$D

[Grasshopp3r]

Here is a revised design. Please give me your comments.

http://www.chiptalk.net/forum/custom-chi...est-chip-2.html (http://www.chiptalk.net/forum/custom-chip-design-request-hire/40161-help-me-design-uigea-protest-chip-2.html)
http://www.maj.com/gallery/Narnia/models/thumb/protest1_copy.jpg_thumb.jpg
http://www.maj.com/gallery/Narnia/models/thumb/protest2_copy.jpg_thumb.jpg

[Legislurker]

Id carry the blue one. Mail the red one to Republican legislators as early retirement gifts.

[Grasshopp3r]

They are on opposite sides of the chip, in order to show that poker is not a red or blue issue. Also, the edge will have their website printed on it, which is pretty slick.

[DeadMoneyDad]

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They are on opposite sides of the chip, in order to show that poker is not a red or blue issue. Also, the edge will have their website printed on it, which is pretty slick.

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Like I said in my e-mail I like "Prohibition HAS Failed" or "Failed" but I'll go forward with it.

A few more days and we bump into the great deal deadline, and the price I was quoted might not be firm to get them in time.

Again great job Grasshopp3r!

D$D

[Grasshopp3r]

You can change the wording or tweak it with colors or whatever. The mock up is just for illustrative purposes to see how the words fit and so on. This is the time to change it if you want to do so. The more I look at it, the more I like it, especially the two colored chip sides effect.

[DeadMoneyDad]

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You can change the wording or tweak it with colors or whatever. The mock up is just for illustrative purposes to see how the words fit and so on. This is the time to change it if you want to do so. The more I look at it, the more I like it, especially the two colored chip sides effect.

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I love the two sided effect as well. But I haven't spoken to the chip guy about if it is possible.

Like I also said we might want to incorporate some version of the PPA up comming bumper sticker just for contonnuity sake and future uses. Personally I like commeriative chips.

D$D

[Grasshopp3r]

They do two sided work on ceramic chips, so that is not an issue. I like the collectors chips idea with different reverse sides. That would be interesting.

One of the reverse sides could have a WTO reference. One could have a nanny state reference. One could have the apple pie and so on.