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badbeatLOL

09-01-2007, 08:12 AM

Limit refugee looking for some help here. All players are fairly unknown. sorry for the messed up conversion, don't know what went wrong.

Hand 1)
i didn't like my betsizing on the turn but wanted him to call with whatever he had (FD?). River sucks to leave him with money in his stack, how do i extract?

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saw flop|[color=#C00000]saw showdown

[color=#C00000]SB ($44.01)
BB ($54.17)
UTG ($48.27)
MP ($51.19)
CO ($18.66)
[color=#C00000]Hero ($59.82)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif.
[color=#666666]3 folds, [color=#CC3333]Hero raises to $2, SB calls $1.75, [color=#666666]1 fold.

Flop: ($4.50) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif [color=#0000FF](2 players)
[color=#CC3333]SB bets $1, [color=#CC3333]Hero raises to $4, SB calls $3.

Turn: ($12.50) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif [color=#0000FF](2 players)
SB checks, [color=#CC3333]Hero bets $5, SB calls $5.

River: ($22.50) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif [color=#0000FF](2 players)
SB checks, [color=#CC3333]Hero bets $15, SB calls $15.

Final Pot: $52.50

Hand 2)

bluffed flop because it misses alot of his range and he has to fold a fair share of his holdings. I improve on turn, check for the freebie, good sized bet or blockbet like i did?

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saw flop|[color=#C00000]saw showdown

UTG ($5.96)
MP ($97.05)
Button ($55.29)
SB ($51.09)
Hero ($73.17)

Preflop: Hero is BB with http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/8c.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/ac.gif.
[color=#666666]1 fold, [color=#CC3333]MP raises to $2, [color=#666666]2 folds, Hero calls $1.50.

Flop: ($4.25) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/9c.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/ks.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/2d.gif [color=#0000FF](2 players)
Hero checks, [color=#CC3333]MP bets $2.5, [color=#CC3333]Hero raises to $6.5, MP calls $4.

Turn: ($17.25) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/3c.gif [color=#0000FF](2 players)
[color=#CC3333]Hero bets $8

Hand 3)

i do not stack off here right?

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saw flop|[color=#C00000]saw showdown

SB ($76.50)
BB ($50)
[color=#C00000]UTG ($19.90)
[color=#C00000]MP ($51.73)
[color=#C00000]Hero ($69.14)

Preflop: Hero is Button with http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/jh.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/jd.gif.
UTG calls $0.50, MP calls $0.50, [color=#CC3333]Hero raises to $3, [color=#666666]2 folds, UTG calls $2.50, MP calls $2.50.

Flop: ($9.75) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/9h.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/7c.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/8d.gif [color=#0000FF](3 players)
UTG checks, MP checks, [color=#CC3333]Hero bets $8, UTG calls $19.90 (All-In), MP calls $51.73 (All-In), Hero calls $40.73.

Turn: ($127.11) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/kd.gif [color=#0000FF](3 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($127.11) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/4d.gif [color=#0000FF](3 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $127.11

Hand 4)

Bet flop? bet turn? raise river?

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saw flop|[color=#C00000]saw showdown

[color=#C00000]UTG ($65.38)
MP ($13.65)
CO ($23.34)
[color=#C00000]Hero ($50.75)
SB ($38.63)
BB ($47.50)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif.
[color=#CC3333]UTG raises to $2, [color=#666666]2 folds, [color=#CC3333]Hero raises to $6, [color=#666666]2 folds, UTG calls $4.

Flop: ($12.75) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif [color=#0000FF](2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($12.75) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif [color=#0000FF](2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

River: ($12.75) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif [color=#0000FF](2 players)
[color=#CC3333]UTG bets $7, Hero calls $7.

Final Pot: $26.75

Hand 5) more action on turn? what about his weak riverbet? raise it up?

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saw flop|[color=#C00000]saw showdown

Button ($51.39)
SB ($13.24)
BB ($31.34)
[color=#C00000]Hero ($55.76)
[color=#C00000]MP ($45.74)
CO ($45)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/4h.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/4s.gif.
[color=#CC3333]Hero raises to $2, [color=#CC3333]MP raises to $3.5, [color=#666666]4 folds, Hero calls $1.50.

Flop: ($7.75) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/jd.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/qd.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/7h.gif [color=#0000FF](2 players)
Hero checks, MP checks.

Turn: ($7.75) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/4d.gif [color=#0000FF](2 players)
[color=#CC3333]Hero bets $5, [color=#CC3333]MP raises to $10, Hero calls $5.

River: ($27.75) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/3h.gif [color=#0000FF](2 players)
Hero checks, [color=#CC3333]MP bets $3, Hero calls $3.

Final Pot: $33.75

Hand 6) raisesize on flop?

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saw flop|[color=#C00000]saw showdown

SB ($62.82)
BB ($50.75)
Hero ($57.37)
MP ($68.45)
CO ($66.52)
Button ($78.25)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/2s.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/2h.gif.
[color=#CC3333]Hero raises to $2, [color=#666666]1 fold, [color=#CC3333]CO raises to $4.5, Button calls $4.50, [color=#666666]2 folds, Hero calls $2.50.

Flop: ($14.25) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/5s.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/3c.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/2c.gif [color=#0000FF](3 players)
Hero checks, [color=#CC3333]CO bets $4.5, Button calls $4.50, [color=#CC3333]Hero raises to $26

Hand 7) easy stack off? if i am going to call the turn i can easily push since he has not that much behind right?

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saw flop|saw showdown

UTG ($49.25)
MP ($6.95)
Button ($121.41)
Hero ($71.02)
BB ($46.77)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
3 folds, Hero raises to $2, BB raises to $5.25, Hero calls $3.50.

Flop: ($11) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks.

Turn: ($11) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $7.5, BB raises to $18, Hero calls $70.77 (All-In), BB calls $46.27 (All-In).

River: ($139.54) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $139.54

hand 8) another easy stackoff? preflop?

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saw flop|[color=#C00000]saw showdown

[color=#C00000]BB ($40.91)
UTG ($69.60)
[color=#C00000]Hero ($81.28)
Button ($33.83)
[color=#C00000]SB ($49.50)

Preflop: Hero is MP with http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/5d.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/5s.gif.
[color=#CC3333]UTG raises to $2, Hero calls $2, [color=#666666]1 fold, [color=#CC3333]SB raises to $10, BB calls $9.50, UTG calls $8, Hero calls $8.

Flop: ($40) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/6c.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/ks.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/5c.gif [color=#0000FF](4 players)
[color=#CC3333]SB bets $18, BB calls $40.41 (All-In), UTG folds, [color=#CC3333]Hero raises to $62, SB calls $49.25 (All-In).

Turn: ($204.41) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/jh.gif [color=#0000FF](3 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($204.41) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/kd.gif [color=#0000FF](3 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $204.41

badbeatLOL

09-01-2007, 08:56 AM

*bump*

and if you do not want to comment on all hands, comments on single hands are also much appreciated ;-)

mackthefork

09-01-2007, 09:40 AM

44 looks like he has possibly got Ad Jx, or maybe even Ad Qx, I probably make the river $15 and fold to a push, if he's even remotely sensible.

mackthefork

09-01-2007, 09:41 AM

55 is basic, i like it.

Mack

mackthefork

09-01-2007, 09:44 AM

22 on the 432 two clubs board, I do similar, board is very drawy, a bit less might persuade a poor player to call an ace but you wouldn't want it 3 handed if any of 15 or so cards came on the turn. So I like the big raise.

Mack

mackthefork

09-01-2007, 09:47 AM

QQ I bet the flop when checked to, it's possible I am best or if not i am drawing health, half pot seems appropriate, evaluate from there depending on his action. If he calls you can check behind on the turn and see it cheaply with any luck.

Mack

sharky01

09-01-2007, 09:48 AM

Hand 1: Bet more on the turn like $9 or $10 and that will leave you with just under a psb on the river for the rest of his chips. That turn bet is too small.

Hand 2: I fold this preflop every time. If I call pf then I don't check raise the flop. As played I think you have to bet more on the turn if your bluff is to have any credibility. Semibluffs like that are +ev because of fold equity and betting $8 into $17.25 is not giving you much fold equity. If I had AK or KQ there I would definitely not fold getting 3-1 to on my money. I might even raise because its such a small bet. If you really want to bluff in that spot then you need to bet like $13 or $14. I just don't like how you played this on any street. Very spewy imo.

Hand 4: I probably c-bet this flop 3/4 of the time, depends on the player though. As played I think you should bet the turn.

Hand 7: I like.

Hand 8: Preflop I fold to the 3-bet. You are calling $8 to win most probably one stack here $50 = 6 - 1 = nowhere near the odds you need to call preflop for set value. Granted its 3 way and you may get more than just $50 like the hand played out but for that call to be +ev you need to win $60 (7.5 * 8) so its a pretty slim call.

mackthefork

09-01-2007, 09:49 AM

JJ i bet less on the flop probably $6, I call the push from SS but not the other guy, you are most likely in bad shape here, given the postflop strenth you have shown so fold to the push.

Mack

mackthefork

09-01-2007, 09:52 AM

A8c C/F flop imo, I hate where you got yourself here, but I guess the turn bet isn't awful as long as you don't convince yourself to go for all 3 streets when you miss.

Mack

mackthefork

09-01-2007, 09:54 AM

Yeah sorry i missed the preflop action on the 55 hand, I don't like that either, rest of the hand is played well, however you won't ever make any money playing that way preflop imo.

Mack

mackthefork

09-01-2007, 10:01 AM

If you put SS on QQ-66,ATs-A6s,QTs+,JTs,ATo-A9o,QJo,JTo
and big stack on QQ-77,A9s,JTs then you win about 25% of the time, you included no reads so I don't know how accurate these ranges are.

Mack

badbeatLOL

09-01-2007, 11:33 AM

thanks guys

the JJ stackoff felt terrible right after it happened, but i am coming from limit, we don't fold :-)

on QQ my thoughts were if he has me beat hes not folding anyway, if i have him beat he will fold immediately to my flopbet. so i tried to give him a chance to bluff for the pot while drawing healthy when behind. wrong thought process?

on the 55 hand, i get 4:1 immediate odds closing the action, with 4 players involved i will stack at least one when i hit, still not enough to call for setvalue?

mackthefork

09-01-2007, 01:20 PM

You need to be winning about 12 times your preflop call so if theres $32 in the pot, and it's $8 to call, then you need about $64 behind after you called, and the other guys to be able to have enough to pay your whole stack worth, this is about break even point provided you always manage to get one in postflop when you hit.

Mack

orig!naL

09-01-2007, 01:40 PM

hand 1: shove river

hand:2 C/F on flop - C/F on turn, unless he bets really small, then C/C (no need to get fancy here on the flop)

hand 3: easy fold - what do you beat here other than TT (who also has an OESD to your gutshot)

hand 4: bet flop around $9.50 - fold to a RR.

hand 5: I think this looks alright, except I would re-raise his river bet. I really don't see a flush betting $3 into a $28 pot when you just called his turn RR.

hand 6: bet strong on the flop, make it $11 or so, call a shove.

hand 7: again, stop slow playing your sets. Bet strong on the flop and call a shove.

hand 8: I would prefer a fold PF, but once you're in the pot I think it looks fine

Rounder101

09-01-2007, 04:19 PM

hand 1, I dont see much value on betting the river, he might have 4s full, and the 8 of diamonds is terrible, it hits every single draw, 67, flushdraws...
Kind of conservative but I probably check the river.
Hand of the set of 3s: its very hard to get rid of a set, but his line in this hand seems awfully strong.

badbeatLOL

09-01-2007, 04:35 PM

in hand 1 we have aces :-) we beat every "fours full"

and i felt the same about the 3's hand but i think there is not much i can do about it...