KK, I reraise preflop, get called, push all in on the flop ok?

[insyder19]

Well, what can I do on this board? If I bet less and get reraised I cannot fold right? To bet less than my all in doesn't make sense either if he has AK/AQ of spades....

Titan No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25/$0.50BB (Titan HH Converter by Kreatief)

Button ($112.02)
SB ($47.40)
BB ($50.00)
MP3 ($75.30) (Hero)
CO ($15.72)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to 2.0</font>, CO calls $2.00, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to 7.0</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to 22.0</font>, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, Button calls $15.00,

Flop: 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif ( $46.75 )
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $53.30</font>, Button calls $53.30,

Turn: 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif ( $153.35 )


River: T/images/graemlins/heart.gif ( $153.35 )


Final Pot: $150.35

Results:
Button has Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif
Hero has K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif
Outcome: Button wins $150.35

[felipe71arg]

i think i push preflop here
also, dont post results

[gcaash]

shove PF

[insyder19]

Are you guys serious or?

I raised to 2, he reraises to 7, he has like ~70 left, why should I shove here? I reraised back to 22. Or you guys don't like that play?

[Klopzi]

You played the hand fine. Shoving pre-flop is ridiculous: pot's around $16 and you think Villain will call another $70?

You could have also bet the flop and jammed the turn as well.

[gcaash]

i miss read the hand sorry ... well played

[insyder19]

Okay so that's just variance then.

[Rounder101]

You played it well, but I normally raise a little more PF, about 25, betting a some more than the pot.
Still, I think you played it the way it shouldve been played, no possible way of avoiding that.

[dersl]

[ QUOTE ]
Well, what can I do on this board? If I bet less and get reraised I cannot fold right?

[/ QUOTE ]

Actually, you should be happy to put your money in in this spot /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[toymach776]

nothing wrong with how you played this one. sorry about that flop.

[Genesis]

What hands do we beat that are going to call the all-in flop bet?
Maybe AQs? Doesn't seem like we are ever ahead when called here. Now, I'm not sure we can avoid being stacked in this situation, but maybe a check would be better to let the TT, JJ, and AK hands take a stab at the pot.

[Sense1ess]

You don't check the flop when there's straight and a flush draws out there as Genesis suggested, even if it's more likely he has a pocket pair. I don't see him committing many chips w/ TT or JJ here.

I think you played it fine.

[orange]

what can you do?

[rahenyshamrock]

yea you reraise him again why would you shove, its pretty sick he hit his 2 outer, not sure theres much you can do here

[ryang]

dodge the Q next time plz.

[Waingro]

[ QUOTE ]
What hands do we beat that are going to call the all-in flop bet?
Maybe AQs? Doesn't seem like we are ever ahead when called here. Now, I'm not sure we can avoid being stacked in this situation, but maybe a check would be better to let the TT, JJ, and AK hands take a stab at the pot.

[/ QUOTE ]
4bet pf, check the flop, very sneaky. Yeah, I don´t like it.

Op,
when I get 1/3 of my stack in pf with KK about the last thing I worry about is how I avoid getting stacked. I would shove the flop and be very happy about it.

[whyherro]

Shoving is fine, CRAI is fine. 4betting pre is fine. really no way to mess this one up

[insyder19]

Ye well if I CHECK and he bets, I cannot fold right?

[Genesis]

[ QUOTE ]
4bet pf, check the flop, very sneaky. Yeah, I don´t like it.

[/ QUOTE ]For some reason I laughed at this. I realize the line appears strange, but it was based off of my estimation of the opponents range. I finally Stoved it vs some ranges just to see. This excludes the hands he obviously won't call with.

Board: 3s 9s Qh
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 29.242% 25.57% 03.67% 3291 472.50 { KhKs }
Hand 1: 70.758% 67.09% 03.67% 8634 472.50 { QQ+, AQs }

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 50.071% 47.90% 02.17% 10433 472.50 { KhKs }
Hand 1: 49.929% 47.76% 02.17% 10402 472.50 { QQ+, AQs, AQo }

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 64.324% 62.92% 01.40% 21179 472.50 { KhKs }
Hand 1: 35.676% 34.27% 01.40% 11536 472.50 { TT+, AQs, AQo }

Huge equity difference between the scenarios.
Scenario one is 2.5 to 1, but we are getting at best 2 to 1 pot odds if opponent calls 100%.
If the range is more like scenario two or three it is much better for us, but it also requires our opponent to get some money in with the lesser hands, JJ, TT, AQ. I guess this is the range most people in this thread are giving our opponent, and assuming he'll look us up with the JJ, TT hands because there's a chance we could have AK or something.

*In case its not clear I advocate check raise all-in on flop.

[shoxbb6]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
4bet pf, check the flop, very sneaky. Yeah, I don´t like it.

[/ QUOTE ]For some reason I laughed at this. I realize the line appears strange, but it was based off of my estimation of the opponents range. I finally Stoved it vs some ranges just to see. This excludes the hands he obviously won't call with.

Board: 3s 9s Qh
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 29.242% 25.57% 03.67% 3291 472.50 { KhKs }
Hand 1: 70.758% 67.09% 03.67% 8634 472.50 { QQ+, AQs }

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 64.324% 62.92% 01.40% 21179 472.50 { KhKs }
Hand 1: 35.676% 34.27% 01.40% 11536 472.50 { TT+, AQs, AQo }

Huge equity difference between the two scenarios.
Scenario one is 2.5 to 1, but we are getting at best 2 to 1 pot odds if opponent calls 100%.
If the range is more like scenario two it is much better for us, but it also requires our opponent to get some money in with the lesser hands, JJ, TT, AQ. I guess this is the range most people in this thread are giving our opponent, and assuming he'll look us up with the JJ, TT hands because there's a chance we could have AK or something.

[/ QUOTE ]
If he calls a 3bet w/ AQo pf, i doubt he's in any way folding if he hits a Q. Either add AQo to his range in the first hand, or get rid of AQs.

[Daniel LeClaire]

[ QUOTE ]
Ye well if I CHECK and he bets, I cannot fold right?

[/ QUOTE ]

No, you can't fold. You just give worse hands a chance to bet.

I think that's pretty overrated in this scenario because of the pot size and the strength you have shown. And even if betting makes all worse hands fold we don't mind because the pot is plenty big already.

[Genesis]

[ QUOTE ]
If he calls a 3bet w/ AQo pf, i doubt he's in any way folding if he hits a Q. Either add AQo to his range in the first hand, or get rid of AQs.


[/ QUOTE ] I changed the other post and agree with what you said. If he gets AQ to this flop he's not folding. I'm not certain he gets there that often however vs a 4bet preflop, but that's a judgement call.

Anybody likes checking this flop, giving villain a chance to bluff ? If he has AK he`s drawing to 3 outs. I probably like to take that chance, and come out betting on the river.

problem with pushing is, you only get called if your beat. I think we can take AQs out of his range.

[Daniel LeClaire]

[ QUOTE ]
Anybody likes checking this flop, giving villain a chance to bluff ? If he has AK he`s drawing to 3 outs. I probably like to take that chance, and come out betting on the river.

problem with pushing is, you only get called if your beat. I think we can take AQs out of his range.

[/ QUOTE ]

This is what I alluded too in my previous post.

Basically, after 4 betting, checking is going to look very fishy to anyone. The pot is so big he can't really try to steal it or bet worse hands without committing himself.

Also, his hand isn't likely to improve on the turn. Any bet that he would fold to on the flop he will likely fold on the turn. So we are just giving free cards. With the pot being nearly 100bbs already it doesn't matter if he folds a hand like JJ here every time. The pot is already significant enough to win.