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insyder19
08-31-2007, 07:05 AM
Would you guys say this fold is weak or am I already behind or getting bluffed?

Titan No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25/$0.50BB (Titan HH Converter by Kreatief)

BB ($51.75)
MP3 ($56.50)
CO ($150.60) (Hero)
Button ($49.25)
SB ($52.10)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif
<font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to 2.0</font>, Button calls $2.00, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>,

Flop: T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif ( $4.75 )
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3.00</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to 12.0</font>, Hero calls $9.00,

Turn: 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif ( $28.75 )
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $35.25</font>, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>,

Final Pot: $62.60

Results:
Hero has J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif
Outcome: Button wins $62.60

scallop
08-31-2007, 07:10 AM
Reads?

munkey
08-31-2007, 07:16 AM
I hate these spots but need to learn so give it my quick shot.

On flop shove vs draws and with a guthsot I shove or fold.
if villan is bad/aggr/raise flop with draws I often shove -if nitty or other I fold. Here I fold given no more info/unkown.

Calling OOP on the turn with many bad cards spades, 6,q,k,a
I think isn't best though I do it too.
i think this is bad as if we call flop intending to fold most turns we're losing our pot equity and losing a small/medium sized bit of our stack.

Read eMcs post in SSNL -it's got some good stuff about playing jacks AFAIK remember.

But I honestly don't really know what is best here -if in doubt raise OR fold.

scallop
08-31-2007, 07:20 AM
I dont think folding here is too bad. You could easily being bluffed/semi-bluffed.

Does he double barrell a draw? Would he check a one pair hand for pot control.

Im sure you see the nuts etc often enough to fold. Tough with no reads.

insyder19
08-31-2007, 07:43 AM
Ye, hardly reads especially because I 8 table.

Usually he didn't reraise so hard if I raised pre, so I just guessed I might run into a set/two pair or a flopped straight and folded it.

scallop
08-31-2007, 08:08 AM
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Ye, hardly reads especially because I 8 table.

Usually he didn't reraise so hard if I raised pre, so I just guessed I might run into a set/two pair or a flopped straight and folded it.

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nh

Dumle
08-31-2007, 08:14 AM
With that board, I am folding this on the flop. If you are calling flop, though, you should probably call turn as well. A blanker card couldn't have come.

Dumle