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nazahl

08-30-2007, 01:44 PM

villain is one of the better tags at this level from what i've seen.

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saw flop|saw showdown

Button ($109.75)
SB ($68.60)
Hero ($143.85)
UTG ($77.75)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG raises to $1.75, Button calls $1.75, 1 fold, Hero raises to $8, UTG folds, Button calls $5.75.

Flop: ($17.50) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: ($17.50) A/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $7, Hero calls.

River: ($31.50) T/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $16 , Hero /images/graemlins/frown.gif ????????

really questioning the flop play against this particular villain. being oop w/ a marginal hand against a tough opponent who uses position well and can read hands is a spot I try to avoid, esp. deep. it just feels like I set myself up to get outplayed on the later streets by not betting this flop.

Final Pot: $31.50

nexah3

08-30-2007, 01:49 PM

Does your opponent generally trap? His check on the flop is kind of fishy. To me it seems like he's playing a pocket pair, maybe 10s, JJ, or even KK.

dnord

08-30-2007, 02:36 PM

Ace-whatever isn't obligated to bet this flop - he might be politely avoiding the c/r since you're deep and he's not sure about AQ / AJ. Turn bet makes me think he's thinking "gosh, a second ace, a draw just appeared, he's checked twice, I could bet less than half-pot and see what happens" with a lot of middle pocket pairs, any ace, or even something worse (but if he's good, it's not something else).

You showed weakness again on the turn and he looks like he's taking advantage of it. These look like "the largest bet your opponent will call" and not "the smallest bet your opponent will fold". Villain might be outplaying you or he might show you AJ/ATs, but I imagine he's as confused as you are right now.

Lego05

08-30-2007, 04:18 PM

TT,JJ,AQ maybe. He played this pretty weird for being one of the better TAG's at this level.

nazahl

08-30-2007, 05:36 PM

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TT,JJ,AQ maybe. He played this pretty weird for being one of the better TAG's at this level.

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why? I could see myself playing AQ exactly like this, TT/JJ as well if I thought I could get KK or QQ to fold.

Lego05

08-30-2007, 08:05 PM

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TT,JJ,AQ maybe. He played this pretty weird for being one of the better TAG's at this level.

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why? I could see myself playing AQ exactly like this, TT/JJ as well if I thought I could get KK or QQ to fold.

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Pre-flop Player A would raise and you one of the better TAG's would call with AQ/TT/JJ then Player C will reraise, player A will fold and you one of the better TAG's will call with AQ/JJ/TT??? This doesn't seem like a very good line to me at 50NL and I'd think one of the best TAG's at the level may take a better line.

mookboi

08-30-2007, 09:03 PM

Given stacks, I don't wanna go far in this hand with 1 pair. I cbet/fold 11 on flop.

As played, river call is close I think, let's do it.

Coaster

08-30-2007, 09:25 PM

I'd bet $12 on the flop and fold to any further aggression.

Daniel LeClaire

08-30-2007, 09:28 PM

Yeah, you butchered this hand pretty good. If you don't lead the flop at least lead the turn.

After just flat calling twice his most likely holding is a small pp. I don't see what A/x hands he could possibly have. AK maybe, but I'd think he would 3 bet.

On the river, if he's an okay player fold. If he's a really good player call.

shoxbb6

08-30-2007, 10:14 PM

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Yeah, you butchered this hand pretty good. If you don't lead the flop at least lead the turn.

After just flat calling twice his most likely holding is a small pp. I don't see what A/x hands he could possibly have. AK maybe, but I'd think he would 3 bet.

On the river, if he's an okay player fold. If he's a really good player call.

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Flop is ridic standard, especially if we can get him to bluff after we check. Our hand has showdown value in this hand, and practically none of villains range will call a cbet on this flop.
Once you check the flop and the turn, I call the river all day long.

nazahl

08-30-2007, 10:37 PM

sorry guys, I misread the action when i was playing this one. I thought utg limped and the button raised preflop, really changes the dynamics of the hand.

so yeah, AQ, TT, and JJ are pretty unlkely.

just ignore this thread