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08-30-2007, 08:37 AM
villain is 20/10/2. I`m 16/11/4.

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BB ($37.10)
Hero ($60.15)
MP ($54.25)
Button ($64.45)
SB ($72.30)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif.
Hero calls $0.50, MP calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($2) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, MP checks.

Turn: ($2) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets $2.5</font>, Hero calls $2.50, MP folds, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $10</font>, BB folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $9.50

SkeetyMcdoogle
08-30-2007, 08:43 AM
First, raise PF for reasons that have been discussed 1000x times.

Second, Im definately not folding a set in a spot like this. Garbage combinations like 52, 72, 92, 57, 97 and random draws are a huge part of his range.

As played, I would raise BB's bet to 10 and happily call of shove from SB, BB or whoever.

Spurious
08-30-2007, 08:46 AM
Raise preflop
flop ok as played
turn raise it up to 7.5$ at least
terrible fold, if they got 99,77,55, 68 you gotta pay em off imo.

xeanatic
08-30-2007, 08:48 AM
I can't fold this there are too many hands we beat and just a few that beat us and against those we have outs to

08-30-2007, 08:55 AM
BB is 62/38/1.8. I often limp in these situations, cause BB raises so frequently preflop and I will end up seing a flop with good position to the maniac. Forgot to mention this. I should have raised the turn, I agree. But how can I call such a big overbet, after a limped pot, then check on the flop and all of a sudden a double pot size raise by SB? Only hand I beat is 2pair here, and I don`t think a 20/10/2 would play it that way.

08-30-2007, 08:56 AM
Sry that actualy was a standart raise by SB, hmm...

But why would he checkraise turn ? Looks like a straight to me

55/99/77/86 all beat me. if he had a combo draw would`t he take the free card with great odds ?

Snafu'd
08-30-2007, 09:03 AM
I hate this fold. You absolutely have to include 2 pair hands in his range along with the made straights and over sets and random air. Why would a taggy player check a made straight twice though? His play just isn't consistent enough with a straight for me to automatically give it to him in this spot. Also, if he has the straight, just pair the board dealer ONE TIME!

Edit: I also raise that turn bet every single time.

08-30-2007, 09:05 AM
Yea, I think you guys are right. I should have at least called. Thanks for the comments

samwallistea
08-30-2007, 09:07 AM
If your going to fold bottom set don't play 22?

scallop
08-30-2007, 09:13 AM
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Yea, I think you guys are right. I should have at least called. Thanks for the comments

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Not called. Raise.

1tripz1
08-30-2007, 09:18 AM
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If your going to fold bottom set don't play 22?

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dnord
08-30-2007, 11:39 AM
I think if the flop comes 3s 4s 5s, and the turn is 2s, then you can probably get away from a check-raise. But absolute rainbow fruit salad, miracle turn... you have to be super excited about the check-raise. This is your hand.

Disconnected
08-30-2007, 12:06 PM
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BB is 62/38/1.8. I often limp in these situations, cause BB raises so frequently preflop and I will end up seing a flop with good position to the maniac. Forgot to mention this. I should have raised the turn, I agree. But how can I call such a big overbet, after a limped pot, then check on the flop and all of a sudden a double pot size raise by SB? Only hand I beat is 2pair here, and I don`t think a 20/10/2 would play it that way.

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If the pot is multiway, won't you have bad position on the maniac? I've always tried to play pots HU in position vs. LAGs, but in a multiway pot with a speculative hand, you want them on your left, not your right. Maybe I'm not thinking about it correctly?

Waingro
08-30-2007, 12:28 PM
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Sry that actualy was a standart raise by SB, hmm...

But why would he checkraise turn ? Looks like a straight to me

55/99/77/86 all beat me. if he had a combo draw would`t he take the free card with great odds ?

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I have on occasion seen villains put in a lot of money with less than the nuts. If you have to put villain on a really nitty range just put him on top two and get it in. Works for me. I have great faith in my opponents.

EDIT: Raise the turn wtf. This is like really basic stuff. And then you fold. The only reason must be mega-tilt.

corsakh
08-30-2007, 01:06 PM
Try 16/15 for a change.

WarhammerIIC
08-30-2007, 01:09 PM
I hope you check under your bed for monsters every night.