25NL 45s from BB, is turn push good ?

[The_Black_Mamba]

no read on opponent

Poker Room skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.15/$0.25
6 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $25.65
UTG+1: $20.90
CO: $25.35
Button: $26.85
SB: $24.75
Hero: $22.95

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with 5/images/graemlins/club.gif 4/images/graemlins/club.gif
<font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $1.5</font>, 4 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: 3/images/graemlins/club.gif 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif ($3.15, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG bets $2</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $6</font>, UTG calls.

Turn: 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif ($15.15, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero is all-in $15.45</font>, UTG calls.


Results:
Final pot: $46.05


after party I thought I could be more aggressive on flop( and bet more on flop) , and not on turn

[Gospy]

I'd probably just fold this preflop. As played I don't know if I like the flop reraise, I'd try to keep this pot smaller.

[nebben]

Why keep the pot smaller? I think the flop raise is pretty good. It gives him a chance to threebet you with AA-TT, which even if you called it to draw, you would still know that you didn't have a lot of fold equity. As played, I like the turn push. Against a range of AA-TT, AKs-AJs and AKo-AQo, you are a 60% favorite.

[EMc]

this is spewy. Like AJMargarine type spew.

[Bill Smith]

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this is spewy. Like AJMargarine type spew.

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NH sir.

OP: I don't think this call is profitable pf unless you know you can outplay him, but w/e. I don't mind how you played the hand, but I'd rather have a read that he's capable of laying down a decent pair. Does anyone think Hero has any FE once vil. calls flop?

[PinkMartini]

No, I think he has close to 0 FE once villain calls the flop raise.

Villain raised UTG, and when that happens I'm usually not playing anything except TT+, AQs+, AKo, and that's with a reraise.

[mvdgaag]

Preflop is marginal, but ok...
Flop is ok, you've got 13 outs to beat one pair higher than yours of which 8 make a straight and a little FE. I like to call and see how it develops, no reason to build a huge pot out of this. We have to discount some outs and are likely not getting the best of it for the money put in and since he donked I guess we don't have too much FE.

Turn is spew, you didn't fill up. If villain was calling the flop he might fold some worse hands, but he will definately call with a lot of better hands.

He donks, either hoping you have AK and lay it down or hoping you have an overpair and he can beat that or as a semibluff. Because he called your raise you are likely in very bad shape at the turn: c/f

[EvanJC]

i don't like preflop and i don't like the flop c/r.

I like raising the flop here to get a free card on the turn.

[WarhammerIIC]

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I like raising the flop here to get a free card on the turn.

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He's out of position, he can't raise for a free card.

[monkeymaps]

SC's OOP are teh suck IMO and are way overplayed by alot of TAGs . stacks arent close to deep enough to make this a good call preflop IMO but w/e.

I dont really get a good way to play this post flop cause of stack sizes I mean c/r is ok but FE has to be pretty big for it to be good and only leaves you with a PSB on the turn.

Any better lines uNL?

oops, thought he was the button here. Don`t call a raise with Scs oop. I much rather play Axs oop then Scs. When you make a hand it`s hard to get paid of. If you really feel the need to play them then check raise flop, but your draw must be stronger than that, and you must be willing to call a shove. I do it against the right players with combo draws.

[dmoney]

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oops, thought he was the button here. Don`t call a raise with Scs oop. I much rather play Axs oop then Scs. When you make a hand it`s hard to get paid of. If you really feel the need to play them then check raise flop, but your draw must be stronger than that, and you must be willing to call a shove. I do it against the right players with combo draws.

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Everything stated above couldn't be more wrong?

Playing Ax oop is worst thing ever. at least when u have SCs u can easily make a fold knowing ur in trouble, with Ax ur so often in the pos of (I have a pair of aces.......now what) /images/graemlins/confused.gif

P.s. I think playing this hand like this is good sometimes, looks like TT-JJ to me and ur gonna get called but u have some outs.

Sometimes i like the c/r flop but usually just call and check turn, almost everyone with AK or 2 overs checks behind and ur winning, if he bets turn ur probably in trouble and you can fold.

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oops, thought he was the button here. Don`t call a raise with Scs oop. I much rather play Axs oop then Scs. When you make a hand it`s hard to get paid of. If you really feel the need to play them then check raise flop, but your draw must be stronger than that, and you must be willing to call a shove. I do it against the right players with combo draws.

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Everything stated above couldn't be more wrong?

Playing Ax oop is worst thing ever. at least when u have SCs u can easily make a fold knowing ur in trouble, with Ax ur so often in the pos of (I have a pair of aces.......now what) /images/graemlins/confused.gif

P.s. I think playing this hand like this is good sometimes, looks like TT-JJ to me and ur gonna get called but u have some outs.

Sometimes i like the c/r flop but usually just call and check turn, almost everyone with AK or 2 overs checks behind and ur winning, if he bets turn ur probably in trouble and you can fold.

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Since you are so smart could you please explain in detail why everything is wrong ? I`m capable of laying down tpwk, when I think I`m beat. Please don`t just post everything is wrong without further explanation.

Axs makes some very profitable and hidden hands. two pair, trips with top kicker, nut flush draws, combo draws, straights. These hands are not so obvious as Scs hands and are very good for checkraising, especialy since I would often play sets the same way.

[wslee00]

i fold this pf

and i usually don't semi-bluff OOP - he's calling w/ any overpair

[good_gamble]

In case it hasn't been said enough, p/f is horrible and will almost never show a profit at 100BBs.

As played, flop cr is ok but I chk turn and fold to a decent bet.

[dmoney]

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oops, thought he was the button here. Don`t call a raise with Scs oop. I much rather play Axs oop then Scs. When you make a hand it`s hard to get paid of. If you really feel the need to play them then check raise flop, but your draw must be stronger than that, and you must be willing to call a shove. I do it against the right players with combo draws.

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Everything stated above couldn't be more wrong?

Playing Ax oop is worst thing ever. at least when u have SCs u can easily make a fold knowing ur in trouble, with Ax ur so often in the pos of (I have a pair of aces.......now what) /images/graemlins/confused.gif

P.s. I think playing this hand like this is good sometimes, looks like TT-JJ to me and ur gonna get called but u have some outs.

Sometimes i like the c/r flop but usually just call and check turn, almost everyone with AK or 2 overs checks behind and ur winning, if he bets turn ur probably in trouble and you can fold.

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Since you are so smart could you please explain in detail why everything is wrong ? I`m capable of laying down tpwk, when I think I`m beat. Please don`t just post everything is wrong without further explanation.

Axs makes some very profitable and hidden hands. two pair, trips with top kicker, nut flush draws, combo draws, straights. These hands are not so obvious as Scs hands and are very good for checkraising, especialy since I would often play sets the same way.

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Well the main reason "I" think it's wrong is because there is no way ur ever going to hit 2pair or straights enough to compensate for the times u whiff, or WORSE hit and are way behind drawing to 3 outs (at best). I guarantee you very often call the flop with Ax when flop is A97 when you check buddy cbets, then turn you have to check again? or you ahve to block bet and hope ur good ? you are just way way too often in a position to lose more then you are going to win.

Your goal is to put yourself in situations where you can maximize how much you win and minimize how much you lose.

Ax rarely allows you to maximize anything.

dmoney, that`s why I say to checkraise with them on the right boards. Your obviously not playing them solely to hit one pair hands. I don`t block bet them I checkraise on the right board. Also, I do call oponens continuation bet when I hit my Ace sometimes. They hardly 2nd barrel, unless they have an ace. And I didn`t said to play them all the time. I said I much rather play them (wich I do occasionaly) then playing Scs oop (I hardly ever do that).

We probably just play hands differently, but don`t just post saying that all this is wrong, cause for me playing these hands can be very profitable, and I have won some very big pots with them.

[monkeymaps]

playing SC's oop is way harder than Axs at least with Axs floping an ace is going to be good a decent % of the time, Sc you need to hit flop at least twice or bluff/semi bluff alot to show a profit .

[The_Black_Mamba]

ty for advices, yeah my preflop play was a bit idiot:)

on flop with check-raise I thought he will fold all hands thats not overpair (AKs,AQ ...)
If he just calls, he rarely has AA,KK(QQ), and with turn push he can fold any other overpair, if he thinks I have a set
if he just call my turn push I have still some outs for the straight, and perhaps any 4 or 5 are still winner cards
but if I have no FE, this play isn't really good

(calling preflop oop, c/r on flop,push the turn, this is very often a set (mainly NL10-NL25) )


but you are right, against unknown villain with 45s oop, with not so deep stacks it is easy fold pf

[mvdgaag]

Were you looking to represent a set? That would turn your hand into a bluff... I rather take the free card.