ATs vs. annoying flop donker (50NL) [Archive]

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emKay

08-28-2007, 08:05 AM

Villain is a 60/3 fish. I haven't sat very long with him, but he donked every single flop oop into the pf raiser. He did this like 4 or 5 times, then this hand happened:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG ($50.40)
Hero ($43)
Button ($82.70)
SB ($79.15)
BB ($66.55)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
1 fold, Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, BB calls $1.50.

Flop: ($4.25) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
BB bets $3, Hero calls $3.

I called him because he annoyed me. I know this is no reason, but anyways, I called. Good/bad/horrible? Whats our plan to defend against such an idiot?

Turn: ($10.25) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
BB bets $6, Hero raises to $18, BB calls $12.

So I caught an open ender and raised him up. In hindsight, I don't think he follows up with a turn bet when he has bet the flop with air, so the raise was probablay very bad.

River: ($46.25) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
BB bets $5, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $46.25

sightless

08-28-2007, 08:11 AM

raise flop if he donks every time. This is a pretty dry boardand he is unlikly to hit it.

I dont like raising this turn, after he bets he is telling you he has some sort of a a hand and with those stats its a little silly to try to make him fold it

danny8

08-28-2007, 08:30 AM

raise him up on the flop. he prolly didnt hit this board, if he calls you can shut down

tmcdmck

08-28-2007, 10:42 AM

seen any showdowns when he donked for a read? In my experience a donkbet usually means a weak-sih one pair. I would suggest waiting for a better spot and folding flop. Though a raise on the flop (which he will moost probably call) then a double barrel can work beautifully if the situation is right (ie they dont showdown every hand/ think of you as a bluffer/ their range isnt exclusively top pair).

but yeah, dont call flop

emKay

08-28-2007, 11:38 AM

Forgot to add that, no, he took the pot down every time he donked.

wslee00

08-28-2007, 01:01 PM

raise or fold that flop, calling isn't gonna get you anywhere

sisyphus75

08-28-2007, 01:20 PM

Its hard to get a station to fold, don't bluff the station, eventhough he annoys you - "you will tilt"

PFB is fine; 2-bet the flop, if he calls give up. Since he plays 60%, his range is pretty large. I think he probably hit any part of that flop, and he is putting you on AQ+. I would wait for a better spot to take him.

who folds to a $5 bet on a $46 pot with air? I would take note of what he had and how he played it for $5.

wslee00

08-28-2007, 01:41 PM

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Its hard to get a station to fold, don't bluff the station, eventhough he annoys you - "you will tilt"

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well - the OP said he's just been donking into pf raisers, that necessarily doesn't mean he will call a raise on the flop. And even stations have to have something to proceed after the flop (i think)

Lego05

08-28-2007, 01:49 PM

Raise or fold flop.

As played just call turn.

River fold is good.

JROK777

08-28-2007, 04:06 PM

His donk bet is good sized. I'd just fold. If he made a 1/2 psb, I'd shoot it up.

TheDoubleA

08-28-2007, 05:37 PM

Does anyone else feel that if you thought the turn raise was going to move him off his hand, that you would just push? Or is that a much bigger spew?

ryang

08-28-2007, 06:08 PM

yeah raise flop, drop it after that. since he's such a spew tard try to just show with real hands against him, dont try to bluff outplay him, he will end up just giving you his money if you show up with a hand.