JJ button against Laggy player

[PleasureGuy69]

villain hasn't gotten out of line. He's 28/17/3.8 with a river AF of just 1.5

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker (http://www.legopoker.com) Hand History Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh))

SB: $56.65
BB: $47.50
UTG: $50.00
MP: $183.20
Hero (CO): $52.05
BTN: $38.70

Preflop: Hero is dealt http://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/cards/color/Jh.gif http://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/cards/color/Jc.gif (6 Players)
UTG folds, MP folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2.00</font>, BTN folds, SB calls $1.75, BB folds

Flop: ($4.50) http://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/cards/color/5c.gif http://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/cards/color/3c.gif http://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/cards/color/9c.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $3.20</font>, Hero calls $3.20

Turn: ($10.90) http://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/cards/color/8h.gif (2 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($10.90) http://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/cards/color/Ac.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $8.00</font>, Hero ??

[Dave Coulier]

I dont really like the way you played this hand. You basically gave control of the hand over to villain postflop. Im reraising this flop against a laggy player pretty much every time since you have a pretty strong hand.

On the turn I like betting after he checks as he could easily have a medium PP and hes worried about your flop call. If he had a stong hand I expect him to bet again.

On the river I have to call this. He could be using the A/images/graemlins/club.gif as a scare card to push you off your hand.

[Nemesis69]

Reraise on the flop.

[good_gamble]

I like how you played this, raising flop is horrible IMO, checking turn is good and I call river

Edit: To clarify, checking turn is good as we don't get any value and better hands never fold, and we can possibly induce a bet on river

[PleasureGuy69]

seems like everyone has a different opinion... any other thoughts?

[wslee00]

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Reraise on the flop.

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it's just a raise dammit, not a re-raise!

i like call on flop, bet the turn.

As played, was he really betting w/ only a Kc? Maybe he already had the flush, I dunno - you shoulda bet the turn and this hand becomes MUCH easier to play.

[DaycareInferno]

i don't really mind calling the flop, but i don't mind raising it either. i'm not going to raise/fold it though. i like betting the turn. a lot of times villain is going to have a big club, so i don't want to get drawn on for free. i'm also not too worried about getting c/red by a stronger hand. other than a made flush, hands that beat you aren't going to take that chance i don't think.

[Daniel LeClaire]

I think you have to call that river.

[ryang]

why are we not raising flop?
bet turn? c'mon.

[wslee00]

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why are we not raising flop?

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we really don't want to play a big pot here, so we use our position. Villain could be playing tons of draws that he will check on the turn where his equity goes way down if he doesn't hit.

[ryang]

i totally agree with not playing a big pot, lets take it down on flop/turn.

[C4LL4W4Y]

as far as raising the flop goes, its fine if you put villain on more than sets/made flushes. after his flop donk, i think pair + one club hands (77, 88, TT) are in there, as well as naked one club hands like aq, kq, aj, kj, kt, a9, k9, qj. against that range, along with 33, 55, 99, 8c9, 7c9, 56c, i think we're in good shape to raise as villain will probably continue with good portion of those hands.

[ryang]

i think we should be raising enough on the flop to get those type of hands to muck. as far as making the flush on the end, i think we have to call that.

[TheDoubleA]

I agree that I would not raise that flop.
After he checks turn, it is probable that we are good here, and I would have bet 8-10. If he raises us, then I think we can fold comfortably.
If he calls the turn bet, and bets the Ac, then I think we can fold knowing we are beat, but I think ore often than not the river gets checked and we can check it down.

By you checking behind on the turn, we really have no idea where the villian is in this hand, making the river call tough. If we would have bet the turn, we would have a much better idea what his actions mean and probably still see the river for the same price.

[good_gamble]

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i think we should be raising enough on the flop to get those type of hands to muck

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Huh? Why do you want worse hands to muck?!