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ledders07
08-27-2007, 05:57 PM
button was calling ~75% of pfr, no reads on SB and BB.

Stack sizes : button and SB are shortstackers, BB has full stack.

I was planning to call SB all-in raise as it was only $4.50 as button was low-stacked but the BB thought for AGES and then cold-called with a large stack which worried me.

Push or fold?


Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
4 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is UTG with A/images/graemlins/club.gif K/images/graemlins/spade.gif
Hero raises to $1</font>, Button calls,SB raises all-in $5.46</font>, BB calls.
HERO??

stickdude
08-27-2007, 06:05 PM
Push

Kimo White Devil
08-27-2007, 06:06 PM
I push

Nick C
08-27-2007, 06:10 PM
I think calling is a legitimate option, actually.

If I miss and BB decides to lead into an empty side pot on the flop, I don't have too many regrets about folding. Meanwhile, he's called one massive raise already, and while I don't think this eliminates your folding equity, it does suggest it's not as good as usual, and there's also a very good chance that with at least one and quite possibly two all-in players in the hand, you're going to need to catch an A or K to win anyway.

The possibility that BB is going Hollywood with AA is also a little troubling, although I'm never really sure how to interpret those timing tells.

Meanwhile, though, pushing does also seem like an option to me, and I think I like it better than folding. At least you guarantee yourself five cards that way, and if BB was genuinely uncertain about that first call, that push might be what gets him to dump 99 (or whatnot).

ledders07
08-27-2007, 06:16 PM
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I push

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aren't i just flipping with AK though when two guys have already put $5 in the pot preflop? surely one of them has got a PP and with the rake it isn't worth it?

Check_The_Nuts
08-27-2007, 06:21 PM
how deep, how tight is BB.

ledders07
08-27-2007, 06:28 PM
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how deep, how tight is BB.

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im 50bb deep (i know f the haters ) BB seemed to be standard 25nl guy, bit loose callin preflop etc

stickdude
08-27-2007, 06:30 PM
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im 50bb deep

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That moves it from a shove to a Phil Hellmuth-style instashove.

Check_The_Nuts
08-27-2007, 06:36 PM
this is an insta shove 50bb deep and u'd have to be retarded to call.

edit: oops wrote 25 my bad.

wudabum
08-27-2007, 06:58 PM
I'd shove here, cuz when the flop comes, youre either pushing or folding anyways. with AK i think its best to get your money in preflop