flop mistake. how to play turn-river?

[gulisoff]

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.05/$0.10 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker (http://www.legopoker.com) Hand History Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh))

SB: $11.00
BB: $8.65
Hero (UTG): $9.15
CO: $8.20
BTN: $4.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif Q/images/graemlins/club.gif (5 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $0.40</font>, CO calls $0.40, BTN calls $0.40, SB calls $0.35, BB folds

Flop: ($1.70) J/images/graemlins/club.gif 5/images/graemlins/club.gif 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $1.50</font>, Hero calls $1.50, 2 folds

Turn: ($4.70) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($4.70) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $3.00</font>, Hero ?


as played fold?

[whyzze]

ughhhh...I guess you have to pay for your mistakes.

AcXc bets this.

[Lego05]

Raise the flop.

River's gotta be close I think.

[dmoney]

What is wrong with your flop call? it's fine.

Calling flop is way better then raising flop. you only get action for a an over pair a J, a 5 or clubs if you raise but most likely he's bluffing so let him hang himself on the turn. Unfortunately for you a jack comes which either kills your hand or kills your action. If he has a J ur toast but if he has worse he's probably shutting down so checking behind here loses no value at all. it actually helps to let him bluff at the pot waaaay more often now. Your check on turn is to keep the pot small so u can call a river bet and or to induce a bluff from missed club draw.

[mookboi]

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Calling flop is way better then raising flop.

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Call river.

[CyberianBull]

This has been said 1000x... but.. try to plan your hand better next time. The flop is good for you, so raise for:
1. Value
2. To gain information

** Call river as played.

[dmoney]

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This has been said 1000x... but.. try to plan your hand better next time. The flop is good for you, so raise for:
2. To gain information


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What does this mean? Raising for information is stupid...to me. calling and seeing what he does on turn and getting the same information as raising except doesn't commit 3x more chips. and doesn't fold out worse hands then yours.

if you feel he won't Double barrel and he fires another good bet, fold, if you think he's capalbe of double barreling with an underpair or a FD then call OR shove on turn.

[WarhammerIIC]

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This has been said 1000x... but.. try to plan your hand better next time. The flop is good for you, so raise for:
1. Value
2. To gain information

** Call river as played.

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You can't raise for information. Raising commits you. Calling is the best option here because it's a WA/WB situation, and the only money you're going to make is from someone that is WB.

[dmoney]

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You can't raise for information. Raising commits you. Calling is the best option here because it's a WA/WB situation, and the only money you're going to make is from someone that is WB.

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Well it's not totally WA/WB because there are undercard flush draws that you can be against as well. or NFD with is only slightly behind atm.

[whyzze]

so all jacks fold to a raise?

[Lego05]

This is not WA/WB on the flop.

[dmoney]

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So all jacks fold to a raise?

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No but it does fold a few Jacks out, but it definitley folds out TT and below which many people will donk into you with these hands. It probably folds out most FDs as well. but it will never fold out an over pair a 5 or a decent jack.

What do you hope to gain by raising on the flop? Do you want a jack to fold???

Are you worried that he is going to make 2 pair? Why? the 5s out there counterfeit his 2 pair if he makes it. (Obv QJ or under)

So please explain to me what the purpose of this is? he's way more likely to fold to a flop raise then he is to a turn bet if a blank peels off and he checks to you. you fire 1/2 or 2/3 pot and he calls committing himself on river to your push.

^^ is a pretty standard way to play this hand imo. YOu just got unlucky the J killed everything on the turn.

[mookboi]

You got MUBS.

This is 10NL, with no reads on villain. We got QQ, this is an awesome flop for us. He donked, congratulations. He's unknown, to assign him a range of Jx or 5x is ridiculous. He could be doing this with AQ, AK, any two clubs, any pocket pair, Ax even. You gotta raise this flop so he doesn't catch up. If he gotta 5, we are going broke. Calling flop lets him hit his overcard, his flush, or his jack.

Raising flop to find out where you are at is a must.

[CyberianBull]

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so all jacks fold to a raise?

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Exactly. Any Jack or club draw calls, 5s re-raise. Why not get value for your QQ? Any club, K, A or J may help him and kill QQ -- I just don't understand why we are letting him catch up relatively cheaply.

[BishopsFinger]

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This is not WA/WB on the flop.

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raise the damned flop.

call the damned river.

[dmoney]

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You got MUBS.

This is 10NL, with no reads on villain. We got QQ, this is an awesome flop for us. He donked, congratulations. He's unknown, to assign him a range of Jx or 5x is ridiculous. He could be doing this with AQ, AK, any two clubs, any pocket pair, Ax even. You gotta raise this flop so he doesn't catch up. If he gotta 5, we are going broke. Calling flop lets him hit his overcard, his flush, or his jack.

Raising flop to find out where you are at is a must.

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Who assigned villain a range of a Jack or a 5? Nobody in this thread that i've seen.

Maybe read ALL of a post before making assinign comments sir.

[stickdude]

Any flop raise that puts half your stack in the middle is not "for information" or "to find out where you're at".

Given your stack size relative to the pot, you raise the flop for one reason and one reason only - you think you have the best hand against villain's range so you're committed and want to get all your chips in the middle as soon as possible.