Aces 3way = Time to fold'em in hold'em?

[hennnerz]

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)

Stack sizes:
UTG: $25
UTG+1: $18.75
CO: $53.05
Hero: $32.55
SB: $25
BB: $30.75

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif A/images/graemlins/heart.gif
UTG calls, 2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $1.25</font>, SB folds, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif ($3.85, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets $2.5</font>, UTG calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $9.5</font>, BB folds, <font color="#cc0000">UTG raises all-in $23.75</font>, Hero...?

Pretty sure I played preflop and flop fine. So thoughts on my next move..call or fold?

Its like 14$ more I think against a villain who runs 32/7/0.64 over 88 hands...

[Rican 904]

That smells bad.

[Holdem_Hussl4]

I usually fold here. I really think this is 2pair or a set almost all the time.

[vixticator]

You'd think with a set he would raise first time and not overcall, this has to be a draw like 88.7895% of the time.

[Holdem_Hussl4]

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You'd think with a set he would raise first time and not overcall, this has to be a draw like 88.7895% of the time.

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Not always. A lot of people just flat call with there sets and raise the turn.

[hennnerz]

Hmm yeah, you would be mad to flat call here with set on this board 3way...

[Holdem_Hussl4]

Its almost always the set.

[Khaos4k]

0.64 AF do not play their draws aggressively. I am putting him on a set/2 pair here.

[Holdem_Hussl4]

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0.64 AF do not play their draws aggressively. I am putting him on a set/2 pair here.

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exactly.

[hennnerz]

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0.64 AF do not play their draws aggressively. I am putting him on a set/2 pair here.

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exactly.

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That is what I thought during play. But then I also put Queens in his range, which nobody mentioned, any thoughts?

[Holdem_Hussl4]

Yeah you know what I guess queens could be in his range here as well. With that AF it his flat call could very well mean queens.

I think a set is more likely though.

[hennnerz]

My final thought process was this: Queens are in his range here. WTF is he doing overcalling with a set. 3way pot, someone must be flushing here. I call.

If he had 3bet the flop I could have folded but as played I think I call most of the time without a read telling me otherwise.

[DaycareInferno]

i don't know. i think the way the hand played out, there's just really not much of any way that you can get away from this. i mean, yeah, this guy is passive, but that doesn't mean he's incapable of realising that if he calls your big raise here that he's playing for all of his chips. if he can't bring himself to folding, sometimes he's just gonna say "[censored] it" and put the rest of his money in with a Jx, or whatever it is that he doesn't want to fold.

i agree that you're usually beat here, but i think that you should still pay it off for that price.

[Holdem_Hussl4]

I see where your coming from hennerz.

[Danielmk]

At first look my first opinion was to fold but i think the pot odds of 3 to 1 are good for a call here. There are so many draws and he could also have AJ.

shove

[Ramana]

This is at least a breakeven call. Sample size is too small imo to put him on 2p+ kinda range. He can even do this with KK.

[11t]

I would call since he could be shoving his money in with some form of straight/flush draw

That or he has a set or like 65

Either way though you have decent odds and donkeys do stupid [censored]

[corsakh]

Ye, almost always a set.

[11t]

QQ and KK do not cold call the flop they reraise and AJ prolly folds preflop

I guess he COULD be completely awful and have QQ I just don't see somebody cold calling with QQ and then shoving versus your strength

[danny8]

i'd hate to raise/fold this flop. i call, proly a set/2pair, but i reckon its a draw enough to call.

[hennnerz]

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You'd think with a set he would raise first time and not overcall, this has to be a draw like 88.7895% of the time.

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ye, almost always a set

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[monkeymaps]

this is uNL AJ is a standard call by villian preflop

this is really close i think getting it in here is not bad overall this is sets sometimes but I think QQ AJ and draws that just say WTF ill get aggressive do this too.

[mackthefork]

A6d is most likely imo.

Mack

[corsakh]

A set is always going to call into a preflop raiser since he does not want to scare him away and give an opportunity to bluff. On the other hand a draw would be likely to raise to scare the preflop raiser.

[hennnerz]

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A set is always going to call into a preflop raiser since he does not want to scare him away and give an opportunity to bluff. On the other hand a draw would be likely to raise to scare the preflop raiser.

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32/7/0.64 over 88 hands...this is our villain. Do you think he thought process is that good at NL25...?

[Zifadel]

Queens would shove pre-flop IMO.

[jjb108]

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i agree that you're usually beat here, but i think that you should still pay it off for that price.

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AJ is part of villains range so you are commited.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

18,810 games 0.005 secs 3,762,000 games/sec

Board: Jd 6s 5d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 38.939% 36.43% 02.51% 6852 472.50 { AhAs }
Hand 1: 61.061% 58.55% 02.51% 11013 472.50 { AA, JJ, 66-55, AdKd, Ad6d, 65s, AJo }

[corsakh]

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A set is always going to call into a preflop raiser since he does not want to scare him away and give an opportunity to bluff. On the other hand a draw would be likely to raise to scare the preflop raiser.

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32/7/0.64 over 88 hands...this is our villain. Do you think he thought process is that good at NL25...?

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This process is not good, its terrible.

[orange]

shove shove shove

[hennnerz]

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A set is always going to call into a preflop raiser since he does not want to scare him away and give an opportunity to bluff. On the other hand a draw would be likely to raise to scare the preflop raiser.

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32/7/0.64 over 88 hands...this is our villain. Do you think he thought process is that good at NL25...?

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This process is not good, its terrible.

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Well it worked on me...I shoved. I don't think the results are important though?