Limp-reraising in microlimit games

[chillout85]

Was just wondering what peoples opinions it were, I couldn't seem to find any other threads on the subject. Are there certain table dynamics where it might be justified? I mean in general it seems to be kings or aces people do it with but would anyone ever recommend doing it with any other cards, under any circumstances? I've been kind of experimenting with it a bit recently on nl25 at Party, always with kings/aces, limping in ep (usually utg or sometimes mp) on particularly loose tables before reraising. I've found that it can be effective for building a big pot preflop sometimes, especially when there has been a raise and 1 or more callers as people seem to call the re-raise a reasonable amount of the time (even though you're clearly repping a monster). Of course it has its obvious drawbacks, there's no guarantee someone will raise even on a loose table and a few times I've ended up playing multiway limped pots which can lead to trouble easily. My opinion at the moment is that its a bit more hassle than its worth, and while, sure, everyone might fold when you raise utg you'll avoid some tough situations. Perhaps it may be acceptable once in a while just to mix your play up? Do u ever see it at higher stakes games? any insight into this is appreciated

[DaycareInferno]

i think it just depends on your overall preflop approach. it really doesn't fit well with the game that most players adopt online. if you played a style that involved you limping up front with things like pp and Axs, then i can see working it in a bit to defend yourself from people that agressively attack your limps relentlessly. most players these days just open or fold from ep in 6max though.

i think that whole style of play, including limp/raising with AA/KK from ep is a lot more viable in full ring games than it is in 6max games. i'm pretty sure that super system was mostly based around 8-9 player environments, and that's really the only extensive writing on this style of play that comes to mind off the top of my head.

[Rican 904]

I think the limp reraise is weak for the following reasons:

A) You're counting on someone raising. If someone doesn't, holy [censored] are you in trouble with AA KK etc. in a multiway pot.

B) When you limp reraise its like shooting up a flare saying, "Hey I have pocket rockets! If you limp, try to get lucky! You're gonna stack me if you do."

C) A+B

Sometimes it may work with a very loose player calling anyways, but I just don't think it increases your profit enough to make it worth doing even 1/10 times. Maybe 1/25.

Thoughts?

[DaycareInferno]

that's why i think its better in full ring. there is more of a chance that someone raises you when you're trying to trail around with AA/KK. there's nothing that says these are the only hands you can do this with though. i mean, if people are as scared of a limp/reraise as you say (i tend to agree), then it would be a pretty high percentage bluff also.

i think the main thing is that is that its just one way to play a more balanced game preflop if you like a style that involves limping all over the table with lots of different hands. there are some advantages to those sorts of styles, even though they are pretty out of fashion. one, is that when you open raise with 44, you're going to get 3bet and run out of the pot by the hands that you have the most implied odds against. of course, if pp were the only hand you limp/called with, then those odds are cut versus smart players, because your hand is pretty transparent.

[carnivalhobo]

in a full ring game its less terrible, but just dont do it at 6max

[vixticator]

I'd only really consider it when a maniac is at the table and has not acted, someone with big PFR numbers that isn't folding to 3bets.

[chillout85]

Cheers for the responses, yeah my game very rarely involves much limping so I guess observant opponents might clock on to what I was doing. And I agree with the part about basically telling the callers/raisers in front of you that they will stack you if they get lucky! I don't play full ring either but I can see why it would be more effective.

[Rican 904]

Sorry I figured we were only discussing 6max here. Yea in full ring definately better if you know theres an attentive TAG at the table that will gladly try to pick off or isolate the weak limper up front.

[Khaos4k]

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I'd only really consider it when a maniac is at the table and has not acted, someone with big PFR numbers that isn't folding to 3bets.

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Meh, I'll usually just raise anyways and hope to get a chance at a re-raise.

[Holdem_Hussl4]

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in a full ring game its less terrible, but just dont do it at 6max

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[Holdem_Hussl4]

Just raise the first time.

[kurto]

limp reraising makes more sense in pot limit since UTG is hampered by his ability to make a raise. If you raise UTG, other players will often call since you've indicated strength by raising.

I suppose if you were at a table of maniacs and you felt quite certain there would be raisers and you could reraise and get another opponents money all in preflop, a limp reraise would be apt. But quite often when you try to do that sort of thing, you have 4 limpers after you and now you're playing aces out of position against a full field.

[chillout85]

Cheers that's pretty much confirmed what I thought. I think it was on a Cardrunners video when I heard FruityPro say he could never understand why someone would limp-reraise and thats what got me wondering about it. But yeah I agree its best to just play aces or kings more straightforward preflop most of the time anyway