25 NL - JJ on dry flop.

[WarhammerIIC]

Villain is 53/28/3 over 100 hands. I have not really seen them get out of line on any street, though. Lots of raising and betting, but nothing crazy.


Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker (http://www.legopoker.com) Hand History Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh))

SB: $30.55
BB: $6.40
UTG: $24.90
Hero (CO): $47.40
BTN: $13.45

Preflop: Hero is dealt http://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/cards/color/Jc.gif http://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/cards/color/Jd.gif (5 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1.50</font>, BTN calls $1.50, 2 folds

Flop: ($3.35) http://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/cards/color/Kc.gif http://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/cards/color/2h.gif http://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/cards/color/4d.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $2.00</font>, BTN calls $2.00

Turn: ($7.35) http://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/cards/color/Kd.gif (2 Players)
Hero ???

[skibbel]

I would c/c turn and bet the river, he might bet a medium pair/A2/A4 (and kings, but i think he would raise a K at the flop usually).

[filsteal]

Is there a reason why you're making it 6BB preflop?

Def. check-call turn.

[WarhammerIIC]

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Is there a reason why you're making it 6BB preflop?

Def. check-call turn.

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Messing around with some SPR stuff just to get a feel for it.

[corsakh]

Why would you bet this flop? Your not folding a K, so check to get some value from 88 and alike.

[monkeymaps]

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Why would you bet this flop? Your not folding a K, so check to get some value from 88 and alike.

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Villan with those stats prob is calling flop with the same hands IMO.
as played a bet/fold turn

[filsteal]

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Why would you bet this flop? Your not folding a K, so check to get some value from 88 and alike.

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Yeah I thought about this too. But you may get more value from 88 by betting, because I think it's often calling the flop bet.

Plus, if you only bet flops like these for value with a king or better, then you have to cut way back on how often you c-bet when you miss, because you won't have a king here all that often. That may matter more at higher stakes, though.

[HoldEmNewby]

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Why would you bet this flop? Your not folding a K, so check to get some value from 88 and alike.

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I agree. I'd fire at an Ace high flop but a King high flop, dry flop is a good flop to check on.

[HoldEmNewby]

and we get bluffed into quite often as well

[richjoyce]

Based on his stats/looseness, i doubt he's setting a trap for you on the flop, I would put him on ace high or smaller pocket. I think I would be tempted to bet out this turn to get him to fold, but c/c then come out firing on the river makes more sense to get some more value on him. I think he'll bet 90% of the time when you check to him on the turn.

HoldEmNewby - Why would you bet on an A-high flop, but check a K-high? Is that so you get a feel of where you are on the A-high (i.e. he raises, you slow down; he folds, you stack your chips?)

[humP]

I value bet both flop and turn, or if I check I c/c and if checked I bet the river

[HoldEmNewby]

richjoyce,

I bet out on an A high flop because players play Ax a lot more than they play Kx. I find by checking A high flop an calling, or betting 2 streets i'll find myself getting called or calling against Ax far more often than an 88 type of hand. When I check on a K high flop I can call a bet, or bet subsequent streets and get paid off by worse hands more often than i'll run into Kx. Right or wrongly on an Ace high flop I'm b/f underpairs quite often.

[WarhammerIIC]

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Why would you bet this flop? Your not folding a K, so check to get some value from 88 and alike.

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Because I'm c-betting this flop 100% of the time when I miss, so I have to also bet it when I have something.

[corsakh]

Well, don't tell yourself that you have to do something cos you do it all the time. In fact, don't do nothing all the time. Be more flexible.

[Snafu'd]

I think betting this flop is completely fine and probably best against this opponent. I definitely check the turn to induce a bluff though.

[members_only]

I find the idea of not betting this flop bizarre. You are going to get just as much value from lower pps by betting as by checking, and you want to charge overcards/A4/A2 to draw as well. You are setting yourself up for quite a rough ride if you c/c this flop imo.

[monkeymaps]

i agree with not betting this flop vs a 20/15 tag or whatever. but this guy is prob calling anything that moves your losing value not cbetting here.