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HoldEmNewby
08-23-2007, 10:38 PM
Line check, villain is a 46/8/0.68

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker (http://www.legopoker.com) Hand History Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh))

SB: $52.52
BB: $70.18
UTG: $49.50
MP: $68.61
CO: $24.43
Hero (BTN): $48.50

Preflop: Hero is dealt K/images/graemlins/club.gif K/images/graemlins/spade.gif (6 Players)
2 folds, CO calls $0.50, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2.50</font>, SB calls $2.25, BB calls $2.00, CO calls $2.00

Flop: ($10) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 Players)
SB checks, BB checks, CO checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $6.00</font>, SB calls $6.00, 2 folds

Turn: ($22) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $10.00</font>...

<font color="blue"> Value bet three streets with 1/2 pot bets? Or should I be checking the turn? Against a better player I'd be more inclined to check the turn and reevaluate the river. Agree, disagree?</font>
vixticator
08-23-2007, 10:40 PM
SB appears to be a station. I'd bet too, probably a bit more. If he raises here you need to throw it away IMO.
BatsShadow
08-23-2007, 10:41 PM
In the Limit--&gt;NL forum they asked basically this same question (They asked about best line with TPTK), and Grunch said bet, bet, bet is the best line.

If you think your opponent can get away from stuff, I check the turn, or bet turn and check river if the board has too many draws.
jack492505
08-23-2007, 10:45 PM
I think you should check the turn behind if you don't want to play for stacks here. If you bet out you're getting pretty close to commiting yourself. Especially if you bet out a little more. If you bet more you'll be getting 3 to 1 to call a shove and I hate having to fold with those kind of odds, usually it means you made a mistake.
HoldEmNewby
08-23-2007, 10:55 PM
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I think you should check the turn behind if you don't want to play for stacks here. If you bet out you're getting pretty close to commiting yourself. Especially if you bet out a little more. If you bet more you'll be getting 3 to 1 to call a shove and I hate having to fold with those kind of odds, usually it means you made a mistake.

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I think against an imaginative villain i'd be more inclined to check but against a station i think by not betting i'm losing value.
jerryf1914
08-23-2007, 11:06 PM
a smooth call there is a clear sign he has a 9. what else could he possibly have that a donkey would call with there? a donkey would raise you with almost anything else in that spot
HoldEmNewby
08-23-2007, 11:07 PM
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a smooth call there is a clear sign he has a 9. what else could he possibly have that a donkey would call with there? a donkey would raise you with almost anything else in that spot

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So you check behind on the turn, and c/f the river?
jerryf1914
08-23-2007, 11:10 PM
i would check behind on the turn and then call a resonable bet probably
tarheeljks
08-23-2007, 11:13 PM
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a smooth call there is a clear sign he has a 9. what else could he possibly have that a donkey would call with there? a donkey would raise you with almost anything else in that spot

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nope, villain is station
zethro
08-23-2007, 11:14 PM
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a smooth call there is a clear sign he has a 9. what else could he possibly have that a donkey would call with there? a donkey would raise you with almost anything else in that spot

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Maybe against some opponents that is a clear sign of a nine, but against a lot of other opponents it could easily be a pocket pair or some overcards.

I would bet the turn and if he raised me then I would throw it away.
toddxlogan
08-23-2007, 11:16 PM
JerryF-

Wrong. Totally wrong.

Everyone else-

Did you guys see villains stats!?!?

BET BET BET!!!
Jzo19
08-23-2007, 11:16 PM
betting here is safe because villain is passive and if he RR you know you could fold , but he's also a station so he could be calling with a ton of PP's and overcards
.xxxx.
08-23-2007, 11:50 PM
I like your line, maybe more like $15-17 on turn tho
traz
08-24-2007, 01:25 AM
villain's a donk and probably calling you with A high, bet bet bet
cooker3
08-24-2007, 02:47 AM
*grunch*

I want to stack this guy so I bet 8 on the flop, 18 on the turn and whatever is left which I think is 20 on the river
ontiltsoon
08-24-2007, 02:59 AM
I'm betting here!

This guy is a station and will call with a wide range.
The nice thing about checking behind against non-station guys is to induce a bluff from worst hands on the river, this guy is not going to bet on the river probably...
EvanJC
08-24-2007, 03:48 AM
bet more on flop, bet more on turn and be happy to play for stacks imo.
orange
08-24-2007, 04:22 AM
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bet more on flop, bet more on turn and be happy to play for stacks imo.

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stonescar
08-24-2007, 04:38 AM
I don't think the bet size on flop is bad on this superdry flop, I'd probably make it 7, but I would definately bet more on turn - 14-16. /Agree with the bet-bet-bet line against this villain. As an aside, yes his stats make him look really bad, but it also tells us he could have any 9x combo, so unless we have reads that he's happy stacking off here with crap, I'm not sure I agree we have to play for stacks here.