25NL OESFD against agressive idiot

[syn]

this guy and me have had many conflict and i know he will be calling me down light he is very agressive too, so i know for sure he is betting turn if i check
only thing is, i was relying on him being able to fold a hand like that



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Button ($41.95)
SB ($31.50)
BB ($23.50)
Hero ($31.75)
MP ($15.65)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1</font>, MP calls $1, Button calls $1, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: ($3.35) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $2.25</font>, MP folds, Button calls $2.25.

Turn: ($7.85) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $3.75</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $12</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $38.7</font>, Hero calls $16.50 (All-In).

River: ($64.85) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $64.85

[Jzo19]

bet the turn ..

[syn]

im pretty sure on the turn hes letting go of even some aces, maybe even AK, if hes disciplined and calling with twp pair + draws...obv shoving with sets/straight, maybe AJ

[Jouster777]

Looks good other than the flop bet size. If ever there's a reason for a full PSB its with a big combo draw. Turn seems fine given your read and of course you are committed.

[vixticator]

Bet turn or c/c, I don't think c/r makes a whole lot of sense at this point. Anyone that likes c/r want to explain why?

[jack492505]

If he's that aggressive does anyone like a C/R on the flop?

[DerrtySlime]

the problem with the check raise on the turn, is that is a scare card, so when he bets, hes probably very strong since he wouldn't bet a jack and probably would just check behind with a flush/straight draw. that leaves some 2 pair hands that an ace completed, as well as soemthing like AQ, AK( no diamonds)

[traz]

an ace will never fold here. You have FE against like...KJ, QJ, TT, 88.

This heavily depends on stats, but it's probably not too bad. I call this turn alot though.

If you're gonna raise, just shove, no point in leaving money behind.

[bgott224]

considering the information you gave I like a c/r on the flop here, not the turn. On the turn I'd just call that.

[orange]

i typically lead the turn. the Ace is a great scare card, you may offer yourself better odds than he would've given, etc.

after you check, i like calling his bet. he's offering nice odds, he's laggy and therefore not likely to fold to a c/r. i like c/r-ing vs. a more solid player and slightly deeper stacks.

so, i would bet the turn. given that you didn't, i would c/c his bet.

[Scorpi084]

No FE on the turn, I hate your push.
bet turn, and fold if he raises enough to chase you from drawing. You have a good hand on the flop, but not on the turn.

[dnord]

Yeah, that $26.70 raise (the third bet on the turn) pretty much kills whatever enthusiasm I have for drawing to non-nut outs. I'm spending time these days telling myself "there's plenty of time, he's not standing up, you can find a better spot" against dudes like this.

[whyzze]

Bet flop for value,

Bet turn for scarecard FE/semibluff.

and bet more on the flop...bloat the pot for your draw. I think checkraising anywhere in this hand is horrible.

[members_only]

I think many people in this thread have underestimated the value of a turn c/r given OP's read that villain will call him light on the flop and auto-bet the turn if checked to

I don't know if that ace is the best card to do it on though

[Danielmk]

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Bet flop for value,

Bet turn for scarecard FE/semibluff.

and bet more on the flop...bloat the pot for your draw. I think checkraising anywhere in this hand is horrible.

[/ QUOTE ]
Why is C/R horrible? Especially on the turn???
I think he has some FE on hand like kj qj or a OESD T8.
I am not saying that the lead bet on the turn is a bad play because is not, but the C/R will chase away many hands that beat you, qq,tt,jx with x&gt;t.
He may think you flopped a set and fold these hands.
Just my 2 cents.

[whyzze]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Bet flop for value,

Bet turn for scarecard FE/semibluff.

and bet more on the flop...bloat the pot for your draw. I think checkraising anywhere in this hand is horrible.

[/ QUOTE ]
Why is C/R horrible? Especially on the turn???
I think he has some FE on hand like kj qj or a OESD T8.
I am not saying that the lead bet on the turn is a bad play because is not, but the C/R will chase away many hands that beat you, qq,tt,jx with x&gt;t.
He may think you flopped a set and fold these hands.
Just my 2 cents.

[/ QUOTE ]

If he is going to call me down light then I would rather bloat the pot and make my hand and have him pay me off than bluff off my stack as a dog.

The ace is a great card to make a near PSB on because it carries some FE for us, not much less than a check raise IMO. The board is very coordinated and not to mention none of our outs are clean. If we bet turn and he raises then a fold is in order, this hand doesn't have as much equity as it appears to.

[syn]

Thx guys

but yeah like i said, i knew that if i would check, he would auto bet with anything probably and given he size of his bet on the turn just made me even more inclined to c/r it

makes sense though
flop im strong, and i should probably make a psb
turn, i lose a lot of equity, i understand now

but for further info, against what type of player or what type of conditions it ever a good idea to c/r semi bluff the turn? never?