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xeanatic
08-20-2007, 08:34 AM
Villian is at the table for 5 hands so I'm readless.
What do you think of my play here? good or bad? and please explain why thanks.


Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker (http://www.legopoker.com) Hand History Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh))

Hero (SB): $80.90
BB: $52.50
UTG: $34.90
MP: $126.30
CO: $60.00
BTN: $29.25

Preflop: Hero is dealt A/images/graemlins/club.gif K/images/graemlins/club.gif (6 Players)
2 folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $2.00</font>, BTN folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $7.00</font>, BB folds, CO calls $5.00

Flop: ($14.50) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif J/images/graemlins/club.gif A/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $11.00</font>, <font color="red">CO raises all-in to $53.00</font>, Hero folds

Pot Size: $78.50 ($1.75 Rake)

skibbel
08-20-2007, 08:37 AM
Call flop?! Range is enough:
Hand 0: 51.631% 37.30% 14.33% 7385 2838.00 { AcKc }
Hand 1: 48.369% 34.04% 14.33% 6739 2838.00 { JJ, 88, AQs+, AQo+ }

ontiltsoon
08-20-2007, 08:42 AM
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Call flop?! Range is enough:
Hand 0: 51.631% 37.30% 14.33% 7385 2838.00 { AcKc }
Hand 1: 48.369% 34.04% 14.33% 6739 2838.00 { JJ, 88, AQs+, AQo+ }



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Maybe Aj could also be in his range

skibbel
08-20-2007, 08:56 AM
Anyway, you can't fold with that odds.

rjacobs003
08-20-2007, 08:58 AM
The way I look at it is if someone had told you that you would have flopped an ace, you would have been happy to call a pre-flop push and taken your chances........Call every time for me

danny8
08-20-2007, 08:59 AM
if im readless i pretty much never fold TPTK in a 3bet pot as the pfr. Id call and expect to see a mid pp/weaker ace/ something else enough of the time to be profitable

XHitman014
08-20-2007, 10:18 AM
You're committed to this pot...putting in a third of you stack and folding when you hit your hand is not good.

traz
08-20-2007, 10:18 AM
If you 3bet here you have to stack off

bozzer
08-20-2007, 10:24 AM
I'm calling the all in if I'm 3 betting pf. if he's a standard player you only beat AQ poss, a combo draw and a bluff, but you have to call off your stack with TPTK on this (mildly drawy) board OOP in a RR pot.

Rednas
08-20-2007, 11:14 AM
T9hh is also a possible holding for villain.

xeanatic
08-20-2007, 01:08 PM
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T9hh is also a possible holding for villain.

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Don't think a villian will call a 3bet with that.

Thanks for the explaining, I already thought of it as a bad fold. When I played the hand I thought I only really beat AQ.. and was way behind his range

corsakh
08-20-2007, 01:11 PM
Great read, nice fold. Next time please open fold preflop for metagame. Not as good as the other guy folding AA on K high for 100BB, but a close second.

xeanatic
08-20-2007, 01:15 PM
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Great read, nice fold. Next time please open fold preflop for metagame. Not as good as the other guy folding AA on K high for 100BB, but a close second.

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haha lol

jallabar
08-21-2007, 08:01 AM
I would actually fold, since it looks like JJ for me who is not keen on seeing another heart and donkyraises all in. To be honest, a king doesnt help you and an ace gives him the full house. Obviously a backdoorflush is nothing anyone would go all in for.
The only hand that would justify a call would be a nutflushdraw. Could anyone calculate how often we win vs a nutflushdraw?
I mean seriously what do you guys put him on. TPGK, MPGK? He wouldnt raise you all in after you demonstrated a strong hand with your 3bet from UTG.
As I said I see him on JJ and would almost never call here.

zer0c0ntr0l1278
08-21-2007, 08:18 AM
I agree its a good fold. He's got JJ here. The only other hand i can see this with is a set or AQ. Most likely JJ

Dumle
08-21-2007, 08:31 AM
Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

26,730 games 0.078 secs 342,692 games/sec

Board: Ah Jc 8h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 42.660% 31.99% 10.67% 8550 2853.00 { AcKc }
Hand 1: 57.340% 46.67% 10.67% 12474 2853.00 { AA, JJ, 88, AJs+, AJo+ }


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So, call. I haven't even included the multiple draws he might have (since you are readless, he may very well show up with T9hh here, even KQhh sometimes). Also, AA is less likely than indicated above, since he will often 4-bet them preflop, giving you even better equity. It might be balanced out, though, by him not always getting it all-in with AQ here. Now I'm rambling. Pot odds indicates a call, so call. No question about it.

Dumle

bicilotti
08-21-2007, 08:45 AM
It seems to me you are quite in a bad spot. I don't think at this level an unknown player is capable of such a strong move without the needed values.

It can't be tp + nut flush draw and i really feel someone with AQ is not going to be that aggressive given the preflop actions.

In so many words: fold.