50NL; 88 gets squeezed by a shortie pushing all-in

[Lego05]

Shortstack is 21.95/17.07/1.21 postflop agg. over 80 hands

Other player is 24.27/13.59/2 postflop agg. over 200 hands


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CO ($63.45)
Button ($108.05)
SB ($13.75)
BB ($80.10)
UTG ($82.45)
Hero ($54.55)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $2, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $13.75</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero ???

[kaz2107]

meh. i prolly just dump it. both people seem to at least have a general idea about wut they r doing and i dont think u can call the shove. u either have to push or fold and i think pushing here is a spew.

[stickdude]

Heads-up I'd seriously think about calling, especially with his stats. However, with button still to act behind you, you'd be hating life if you called and button then decides to shove.

I'd let this one go.

[Rounder101]

Fold, most of the time a coinflip, but u will see a higher pp lot of the times, and very few of those times a lower.
With button yet to act, if you call, he might call it too, or even raise it up here, and we dont want a huge pot OOP with 8s, so I would fold.

[Lego05]

If it were headsup it's a pretty quick call IMO:

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

955,465,632 games 0.063 secs 15,166,121,142 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 44.273% 43.52% 00.75% 415856304 7155666.00 { 88 }
Hand 1: 55.727% 54.98% 00.75% 525297996 7155666.00 { 66+, AQs+, AJo+ }

[marvin_1935]

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If it were headsup it's a pretty quick call IMO:

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

955,465,632 games 0.063 secs 15,166,121,142 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 44.273% 43.52% 00.75% 415856304 7155666.00 { 88 }
Hand 1: 55.727% 54.98% 00.75% 525297996 7155666.00 { 66+, AQs+, AJo+ }

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SB's range is wider: 22+ ATs+ AJo+ KQs at least.

just go ahead and shove to isolate the sb. the button only called your raise so he isnt going to call an ai.

[sightless]

cal cal calll call call

you have button beat

[Lego05]

Yea I probably should have shoved, but I thought a smaller raise would accomplish the same thing and I didn't think it through enough I guess. Anyway...what is going on here:

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CO ($63.45)
Button ($108.05)
SB ($13.75)
BB ($80.10)
UTG ($82.45)
Hero ($54.55)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $2, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $13.75</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $28</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $108.05</font>, Hero ???

[Rounder101]

button, flat calling a huge hand to ur first raise, was definetely a possiblility, thats why I first said I would play it safe and fold.
By trying to play what most likely was a coinflip, now u are facing a very tough spot and decision.
If I am not wrong u are getting 3.65-1 odds,
We will be needing to win around a little more than one out of every 5 hands, we would have to take this one like 23% of the time to make it a profitable call.
So even if hes got rockets, its a close call. The question is, will he show us AK-AQ,or any other coinflip hand enough of the time to make this profitable, and IMO he will.
I call in this spot.
If you think this through, and button was a thinking player, calling JJ+ is a great play in this spot, cuz the shortstack will be in a very tempting spot to squeeze shove, with marginal hands.

[HBomb]

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Yea I probably should have shoved, but I thought a smaller raise would accomplish the same thing and I didn't think it through enough I guess. Anyway...what is going on here:

That one guy was right, this is exactly what you should be afraid of..

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CO ($63.45)
Button ($108.05)
SB ($13.75)
BB ($80.10)
UTG ($82.45)
Hero ($54.55)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $2, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $13.75</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $28</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $108.05</font>, Hero ???

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This is exactly what the other guy said we should be afraid of.

[humP]

Dump, the rake would eat the minor possible +EV and this is pretty marginal, but I fold especially when button is still to act.

[stickdude]

[ QUOTE ]
Yea I probably should have shoved, but I thought a smaller raise would accomplish the same thing and I didn't think it through enough I guess. Anyway...what is going on here:

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CO ($63.45)
Button ($108.05)
SB ($13.75)
BB ($80.10)
UTG ($82.45)
Hero ($54.55)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $2, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $13.75</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $28</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $108.05</font>, Hero is hating life just like I predicted

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As played, you've shown strength with two raises and he still comes over the top. Let it go - you're a big dog to his probable range (AA/KK and very rarely AK) and you'll still get to see what he has so you can make a note for next time.

[suited77]

I think AK is more of his range than AA/KK.
I fold though.

[stickdude]

[ QUOTE ]
I think AK is more of his range than AA/KK.
I fold though.

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What would be nice is a version of pokerstove that let's you estimate how likely you think each holding is and use that to calculate equity. Something like -

KK+{95%},AK{5%}

and so on.

[suited77]

Yeah it would be a ncie update. But for now you can just manipulate the ranges in pokerstove for like:
if he only does this with AK 25% of the time,
randomally select 1 out of every 4 possible combinations of AK.
eg. there are 16 combinations of AK. So just pick 4 randomally- AsKh, AsKd, AsKc, AhKc to represent villain doing this with any AK 4/16 or 25% of the time

[stickdude]

[ QUOTE ]
Yeah it would be a ncie update. But for now you can just manipulate the ranges in pokerstove for like:
if he only does this with AK 25% of the time,
randomally select 1 out of every 4 possible combinations of AK.
eg. there are 16 combinations of AK. So just pick 4 randomally- AsKh, AsKd, AsKc, AhKc to represent villain doing this with any AK 4/16 or 25% of the time

[/ QUOTE ]

That's a good idea - I'll keep that in mind.

[Lego05]

I very much doubted that he had AA/KK/QQ. It's just played ridiculously. It had to be IMO JJ/AK or some ridiculous hand. I called.

I don't have the hand history in front of me, but he had two big cards. I think it was AK but it mighta been AQ. I think the shortstack had JJ although it mighta been TT.