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crushednuts
08-17-2007, 12:37 PM
Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker (http://www.legopoker.com) Hand History Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh))

SB: $15.45
BB: $41.55
UTG: $29.65
Hero (MP): $27.05
CO: $13.45
BTN: $23.80

Preflop: Hero is dealt K/images/graemlins/club.gif A/images/graemlins/club.gif (6 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1.00</font>, 3 folds, BB calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.10) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $3.50</font>, Hero ??

villain is 45/5/5 over 45 hands...
I will post the turn once i get some ideas of what you guys think is optimal on the flop

members_only
08-17-2007, 12:46 PM
Um... I'd guess TP?K, flush draw or worse a lot of the time

Raise that [censored] up

This is a bit read dependent though, had he done this before, how had you seen him bet strong hands etc

WarhammerIIC
08-17-2007, 12:47 PM
I don't know what he has based on this action so far, but if it's a set of 3s or 7s, I'd make a note to not play against them.

There's a lot of hands that would bet here... weaker Ks, flush draws, sets... you pretty much have to put a raise in here, I think. Calling is bad unless they're a habitual bluffer, which it looks like they could be based on their stats.

Hail Eris
08-17-2007, 12:50 PM
Overbet donk on a flop like this is usually air, imo.

crushednuts
08-17-2007, 12:51 PM
what would you suggest for the bet sizing on the raise? won't any significant raise commit me to the pot and blow off all hands that i beat?

members_only
08-17-2007, 12:54 PM
Yes, and no

From his stats I don't think he's getting away from KQ etc

Personally I'd be quite happy to get it in for value against you average 45/5/5

Edit: Like I said though, it is kind of read-dependent. You sound like you were a bit worried that he was strong on the flop

DaycareInferno
08-17-2007, 12:54 PM
one way to find out!

WarhammerIIC
08-17-2007, 12:57 PM
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what would you suggest for the bet sizing on the raise? won't any significant raise commit me to the pot and blow off all hands that i beat?

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Not really. KQ, KJ, KT are all calling your raise (they amy even push). Flush draws might call, and at least you're making them pay. I'd probably raise close to the pot... then again, I'm really just not folding this hand against a player with those stats.

crushednuts
08-17-2007, 12:57 PM
I wasn't seeing monsters just wondering what the best way to maximize value is...I decided to flat call the flop and reevaluate turn.
EDIT: I flat called to let KQ, KJ etc. fire again on the turn thinking their hand was good..I wasn't super worried about the flush draw as I didn't feel he would overbet lead with it..
Here is what transpired..


Flop: ($2.10) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $3.50</font>, Hero calls $3.50

Turn: ($9.10) 6/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $11.50</font>,

members_only
08-17-2007, 12:58 PM
Shove

Hail Eris
08-17-2007, 12:59 PM
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I wasn't seeing monsters just wondering what the best way to maximize value is...I decided to flat call the flop and reevaluate turn. Here is what transpired..

Flop: ($2.10) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $3.50</font>, Hero calls $3.50

Turn: ($9.10) 6/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $11.50</font>,

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I play flop the same and shove now.

WarhammerIIC
08-17-2007, 01:02 PM
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I wasn't seeing monsters just wondering what the best way to maximize value is...I decided to flat call the flop and reevaluate turn. Here is what transpired..


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This just doesn't make sense to me. All you're doing is allowing yourself to get played off the hand. If a heart comes on the turn, for example, and he has KQ and bets out $11, are you going to call? No. You let yourself get bluffed off the hand. Same thing in this situation. A 6 comes. It's essentially a blank. But you don't know what to do. He looks strong, sure, but maybe he just thinks you're weak.

Personally, I'm still pushing here, anyways, but I still think you should have raised the flop.

traz
08-17-2007, 01:06 PM
play for stacks, reload, etc

crushednuts
08-17-2007, 01:07 PM
so your line is raise to $9 on the flop and call a push?

WarhammerIIC
08-17-2007, 01:23 PM
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so your line is raise to $9 on the flop and call a push?

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A pot-sized bet would be like $12, I believe.