View Full Version : Now that poker is legal in WV....
penguinfan
08-11-2007, 04:30 PM
Anyone know when a room will open, especially the one at Mountaineer race track?
Thanks
Legislurker
08-11-2007, 05:09 PM
I believe obg said Labour Day?
oldbookguy
08-11-2007, 05:22 PM
Yes, the goal is labor day at Wheeling, they are supposed to have the poker room completed by then. From what I read it is to be a 100,000 sq. ft. room for poker and a second floor for other table games.
The other I do not know and Charleston (Kanawha County) is voting today as well.
penguinfan
08-11-2007, 05:48 PM
Thanks for the info. Looking forward to it.
is this thread all one big joke on us lurkers or something? 100k square feet is bigger than the ENTIRE CASINO floorspace in half of the strip properties. (source) (http://www.vegastodayandtomorrow.com/casinosize.htm)
According to this article (http://www.pokernews.com/news/2007/4/poker-room-review-caesars-palace.htm), the largest poker room in Vegas is 14k square feet with 60 tables (Caesars Palace).
Maybe you meant 10k?
oldbookguy
08-11-2007, 07:56 PM
That was what I read, I know, wow, a big a** room.
Somehow though I believe it (200K Sq. Ft.) likely includes the new 200 room hotel they are building as well at the Dog Track.
The current slots room is larger than 14K, holding now 2,400 slot machines with plansd to increase that number x 2 I believe.
A machine, 2x3 feet x 2400 machines is 14,400 Sq. Ft. with no isles or space between them.
Heck, my local bar with 5 video poker machines is 10 x 5 feet walled off from common area, min. required space.
oldbookguy
08-11-2007, 08:11 PM
On Labor Day, reading some of the brochure info used to campaign for the vote recently, they are only expecting to have 20 Poker tables running, though they anticipate hiring and training 350 dealers over time and spending somwe 13 Million in expansion and upgrades to the location there, which may have accounted for the large sq. ft. estimate in the newspaper for total expansion.
"First comes a $13 million investment in remodeling and equipment purchases associated with the table games, she said, then the training and hiring of 350 dealers and another 50 to 150 ancillary employees for additional security, administration and other purposes."
Any idea how many tables (black jack, poker, ect) 350 dealers will service figuring 16 hours a day open x 7 days. I guess 120 various tables.
obg
ThierryHenry
08-12-2007, 12:46 PM
I thought I read in a newspaper a few weeks back that the poker rooms will not open until around Thanksgiving because the Gaming Board does not yet have the regulations written.
Legislurker
08-12-2007, 01:34 PM
Im just happy I don't have to leave the South to play poker(excluding 3rd world Miss and La). Florida or WV either are manageable drives.
frommagio
08-12-2007, 09:33 PM
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I thought I read in a newspaper a few weeks back that the poker rooms will not open until around Thanksgiving because the Gaming Board does not yet have the regulations written.
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Yes, early Nov is the latest target. The Labor Day date was the original hope, but that's not happening.
oldbookguy
08-12-2007, 10:35 PM
Ah, that is too bad, getting too late for me to start crossing Mtns that time of year.
obg
ThunderEagle
08-13-2007, 11:03 AM
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I thought I read in a newspaper a few weeks back that the poker rooms will not open until around Thanksgiving because the Gaming Board does not yet have the regulations written.
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Is it the regulations or the staff to enforce them?
In the articles that I read it is going to be delayed until November because they can't get their staff rampped up and ready by Labor Day.
oldbookguy
08-13-2007, 01:30 PM
I read on local story concerning staff, the class being held to train dealers dids not even fill-up, seems there may be a lack of local qualified workers to train.
obg
Legislurker
08-13-2007, 05:02 PM
If it starts out as a white chip room...........could be a good opportunity for anyone with some experience. My experience is the small stakes Southern and Midwest rooms overtoke a LOT.
oldbookguy
08-17-2007, 10:51 AM
The recount is at this time going well for gaming in Charleston, WV.
Updates as available, currently the Yeas are up 144 votes, still way too close to call.
As reported by the Charleston Gazette:
Update 10:33 a.m.
Results from Precinct 366 Department of Health & Human Resources, 4190 Washington St. West in Charleston.
Yes: 0
No: 2
Results from Precinct 431 Sissonville High School.
Yes: 33
No: 31
TOTAL:
Yes: 22,789
No: 22,645
Check back to wvgazette.com all day for updates on the table games canvass. For complete coverage, read the Saturday Gazette-Mail.
Update 10:13 a.m.
Results from Precinct 292 Fairlawn Baptist in Dunbar.
Yes: 18
No: 27
TOTAL:
Yes: 22,756
No: 22,608
Officials are counting ballots from Precinct 366 Department of Health & Human Resources, 4190 Washington St. West in Charleston.
Update 10:07 a.m.
Precinct 277 Kenna Elementary School, Charleston, results
Yes: 134
No: 59
Precinct 281 Bridgeview Elementary School, South Charleston, results
Yes: 17
No: 18
TOTAL:
Yes: 22,738
No: 22,581
Officials are counting ballots from Precinct 292 Fairlawn Baptist in Dunbar.
Update 10:05 a.m.
Precinct 241 results
Yes: 86
No: 36
TOTAL:
Yes: 22,587
No: 22,504
Update 9:26 a.m.
Precinct 207 results
Yes: 14
No: 25
Precinct 233 results
Yes: 4
No: 7
TOTAL:
Yes: 22,501
No: 22,468
Officials are now counting ballots from Precinct 241, George Washington High School, and Precinct 277, which is also at Kenna Elementary School.
Update 8:46 a.m.
When the ballot box for Precinct 233, which is Weberwood Elementary School in Charleston, was opened, poll workers discovered nine absentee ballots that have never been counted.
Update 8:31 a.m.
Of the Precinct 148 votes, two in favor and 10 against were counted.
TOTAL:
Yes: 22,483
No: 22,436
Officials are now counting Precinct 207, which is Kenna Elementary School in Charleston.
Update 8:16 a.m.
In Precinct 108, one provisional ballot was not counted because the voter was not registered.
Of seven absentee early votes, one was in favor of table games, six were against.
TOTAL:
Yes: 22,481
No: 22,426
Officials are now counting ballots from Precinct 148 Old Glory Freewill Baptist Church in Winifrede, which has two provisional ballots.
Update 7:57 a.m.
Commissioners have opened ballots from Precinct 108 in Mammoth. They have decided to count all 10 precincts in the county that had irregular early votes.
Update 7:47 a.m.
County officials have begun the much-anticipated canvass of last Saturday’s referendum on whether to allow table games in Kanawha County.
Throughout the day, they will decide on the validity of provisional, or challenge, ballots to determine a final count of the extremely close vote.
Officials unlocked a vault and pulled out the ballots.
They established a baseline number, from which they will add votes.
Baseline count:
Yes: 22,480
No: 22,420
“It is my understanding based on my conversation with the county clerk there will be no fraud,” County Commission President Kent Carper said. “Every last one of these votes will be counted.”
The commissioners, plus County Clerk Vera McCormick and Secretary of State’s Office representative Jason Williams, agreed that unregistered voters who cast ballots will not have their votes added to the baseline tally.
“The law is black and white on that,” County Commissioner Dave Hardy said.
Drop a Deuce
08-17-2007, 12:28 PM
So, there still is a chance to get table games + poker at Charlestown Racetrack?
I thought the chances were cooked, but as a resident of MD on the west side of Baltimore, I am really keeping my fingers crossed. I work about 30min from Charlestown, which would be so much better than the 3.5 hr drive to AC.
Thanks for the updates OBG.
oldbookguy
08-17-2007, 01:45 PM
Charlestown cannot vote again for 2 years after the defeat there.
Latest Charleston update:
Yeas up by 141 votes
Commissioners discovered that poll workers at Precinct 177, Ruffner Elementary School in Charleston, did not count any of the 85 early ballots cast there. They have decided to recount the entire precinct. Results are expected after a short lunch break.
Commissioners also discovered a counting error and voted to adjust the results of Precinct 163, Chamberlain Elementary School in Charleston, to add five No votes.
TOTAL
Yes: 22,804
No: 22,663
Election officials are going to take a lunch break until 1:35 p.m.
Minn_pokerplyr
08-17-2007, 02:13 PM
Wow awesome. I'd assume they are trying to set this up asap.
oldbookguy
08-17-2007, 02:39 PM
Yes. The basic rules are already in place.
Need to train lots of people though.
The Yeas are gaining ground, up to 200 in favor now.
Update 2:05 p.m.
New cumulative totals have been released.
TOTAL:
Yes: 22,930
No: 22,730
Update 1:49 p.m.
The 85 early ballots found in Precinct 177 have been counted. There were 50 for table games and 35 against table games.
That makes Precinct 177's total vote 131 for table games and 91 against table games.
Commissioners did not immediately release new complete totals.
obg
oldbookguy
08-17-2007, 02:53 PM
looks like another 106 Yeas, that were 'missed'? will be added in.
Update 2:40 p.m.
In precinct 254, Holz Elementary, there were 106 “yes” votes that were not included on the tally sheet on election night. Therefore, after much discussion, they have decided to recount that precinct, which is underway right now.
It appears that the poll workers originally tallied the votes correctly: 256 “yes” and 143 “no.” But when the votes got to the Voters Registration office, the “tally team” noted only 150 “yes” and 143 “no” votes.
County Clerk Vera McCormick said it was a clerical error, but County Commissioner Dave Hardy pushed for, and received, the go-ahead to recount the entire precinct.
oldbookguy
08-17-2007, 03:10 PM
A quick note here, it was the same county clerk mentioned above who also, with a clerical error, who failed to run the proper 'legal' notice required in the paper that caused the election delay allowing the opposition to get well organized, and yes, it has been reported she is opposed to the gaming.
obg
oldbookguy
08-17-2007, 03:46 PM
The polling location in question showed 255 yeas, 105 more than the 150 reported on the talley sheet! The no's were correct, 143.
Update 3:24 p.m.
The recount of precinct 254 shows 255 "yes" votes for table games and 143 "no."
obg
oldbookguy
08-17-2007, 09:37 PM
Sorry, been away, the final count is in, Poker / Table gaming wins by 343 votes. Next up, likely recount challenge and perhaps some court battles.
Final talley:
All of Kanawha County's votes have been counted in the canvass of last Saturday's table games referendum.
The final totals are:
YES: 23,192
NO: 22,849
The final margin of victory for table games supporters is 343 votes.
obg
blutarski
08-17-2007, 10:13 PM
Great news! Just one problem- Charleston is too far away from where I live.
oldbookguy
08-18-2007, 10:29 AM
Looks like no recount, quoting "“We’ve heard a recount could cost $5,000, or $15,000,” Sparks said. “We don’t have the cash laying around. We’d have to raise it.
Sparks is head of the council of WV Churches who opposed the gaming.
He went on to say he hoped the county would call for a recount, however, the margin is greater than .50 so, the county says no, they will not do so and pay.
Looks the the counting has ended and gaming wins!
Full story:
http://wvgazette.com/section/News/2007081735
ALSO, as a side note, if you read the story, click sports then go to bottom of the page, in the ads section, see the link to SPORTS BETTING, we like to gamble here.
Next fight, here in my county Lewis, we voted a few years ago and the semi approved property is being sold on the 29th to the high bidder.
I may start a thread for this as anyone in the gaming industry can buy this property and convert.
300+ acres AND a building that is 100 feet short of 1/4 mile long.
Appraised value for ALL is a low 2 million.
obg
markerpenkey
08-18-2007, 03:19 PM
One reason they may be having trouble getting employees for the Wheeling facility could be the application restrictions. From what I hear you have to take a $350 course at some community college up there before you can even apply to work the table games. I'm not 100% sure on that, but I heard it from a guy who usually doesn't say things unless he knows what he's talking about. If that's the case I think it's pretty lame. I have no problem taking a class AFTER I have a job, but $350 just to apply with no guarantee of a job stinks. I'm in Kanawha Co. and have thought about going for a dealer job at the Tri-State facility if they don't have similar restrictions. I think that would be a much more interesting job that sitting at the desk all day like I do now.
Legislurker
08-18-2007, 03:40 PM
If they are saying that call EEOC and ask if its legal.
oldbookguy
08-18-2007, 07:03 PM
From what i gather it is a dealer school you have to go to.
I would guess grants are available, it is at a Community College.
obg
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