View Full Version : Trips with weak kicker, value shove this river ?
villain is TAG 22/13/3. I`m 21/16/2.2.
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saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>
Button ($38.50)
<font color="#C00000">SB ($44.95)</font>
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($132.75)</font>
UTG ($48.50)
MP ($124.75)
Preflop: Hero is BB with 3/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, SB completes, Hero checks.
Flop: ($1) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $3</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $7</font>, SB calls $4.
Turn: ($15) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $7.5</font>, SB calls $7.50.
River: ($30) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">
HERO ??
gumpzilla
08-02-2007, 01:43 PM
Check behind. With the PF limp he probably doesn't have a big A. He probably isn't c/r'ing the flop and calling a 3bet and a turn bet with a weak A. There are no draws to speak of. Thus, his most likely holding is a stronger ten that he's letting you bet for him. EDIT: I probably would have made the flop reraise larger, more like 11 or so.
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Check behind. With the PF limp he probably doesn't have a big A. He probably isn't c/r'ing the flop and calling a 3bet and a turn bet with a weak A. There are no draws to speak of. Thus, his most likely holding is a stronger ten that he's letting you bet for him. EDIT: I probably would have made the flop reraise larger, more like 11 or so.
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I like this advice. If I was holding a Ace a smallish flop raise would make less sense.
Anycall
08-02-2007, 01:50 PM
check behind. he is not calling with a bare ace. the only thing u are beating and get value from is T2.
blackice781
08-02-2007, 01:51 PM
i 3barrel here, i don't think the villain holds a ten and might call with a weak ace.
15 to go.
mvdgaag
08-02-2007, 01:57 PM
He is not check/raising this river with a boat, because you've shown enough interest to call a decent bet and he won't take the risk of you checking behind.
He must have an A or a T to still be here. After the flop I feel he has T8s, T9s, JT, QT, KT most often. You are probably beat, but can't fold this. I like a small bet on the turn and definately check behind on river.
If he had an A you just lost yourself his stack, but you'll get it soon enough if he plays it like this /images/graemlins/smile.gif
nh
blackice781
08-02-2007, 02:03 PM
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He is not check/raising this river with a boat, because you've shown enough interest to call a decent bet and he won't take the risk of you checking behind.
He must have an A or a T to still be here. After the flop I feel he has T8s, T9s, JT, QT, KT most often. You are probably beat, but can't fold this. I like a small bet on the turn and definately check behind on river.
If he had an A you just lost yourself his stack, but you'll get it soon enough if he plays it like this /images/graemlins/smile.gif
nh
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villain has ace 80% of the time in my experience.
15 to go please.
AZplaya
08-02-2007, 02:08 PM
you guys think a tag really plays trips this passively? I wouldn't be suprised to see ace rag here alot. I would put in a river value bet for about 1/2 pot.
gumpzilla
08-02-2007, 02:11 PM
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you guys think a tag really plays trips this passively?
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Yes. Read my first post in this thread; from either guy's spot, I would expect to see a T from my opponent given all of the action. If he has KT, then sure, I'd expect him to push a little harder, but if it's something like T9 then playing it WA/WB against an opponent who has shown serious interest in the hand is probably the best line.
kurto
08-02-2007, 02:14 PM
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He is not check/raising this river with a boat, because you've shown enough interest to call a decent bet and he won't take the risk of you checking behind.
He must have an A or a T to still be here. After the flop I feel he has T8s, T9s, JT, QT, KT most often. You are probably beat, but can't fold this. I like a small bet on the turn and definately check behind on river.
If he had an A you just lost yourself his stack, but you'll get it soon enough if he plays it like this /images/graemlins/smile.gif
nh
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villain has ace 80% of the time in my experience.
15 to go please.
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You must have the best table selection because my opponents are not this dumb 80% of the time. Congrats on your skill at finding the best tables.
blackice781
08-02-2007, 02:31 PM
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He is not check/raising this river with a boat, because you've shown enough interest to call a decent bet and he won't take the risk of you checking behind.
He must have an A or a T to still be here. After the flop I feel he has T8s, T9s, JT, QT, KT most often. You are probably beat, but can't fold this. I like a small bet on the turn and definately check behind on river.
If he had an A you just lost yourself his stack, but you'll get it soon enough if he plays it like this /images/graemlins/smile.gif
nh
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villain has ace 80% of the time in my experience.
15 to go please.
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You must have the best table selection because my opponents are not this dumb 80% of the time. Congrats on your skill at finding the best tables.
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maybe it's my image /images/graemlins/smile.gif
TheBobn
08-02-2007, 02:50 PM
I think villain could very possibly have AcXc and picked up a flush draw on the turn. I'd bet about 1/2 pot and except to be called by an ace. By the way 23/13 is not TAG stats.
sightless
08-02-2007, 02:57 PM
I hate the flop 3bet, unless we have a lot prior agerssion in our history I like to take a passive line in such situations.
You have position, IMO should not play a big pot in this spot. Call his flop c/r. If he checks the turn you can bet it or check behind. If he checks river, bet it:/
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i 3barrel here, i don't think the villain holds a ten and might call with a weak ace.
15 to go.
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Thanks for the reply. I think you where at the table with me and watched the hand. I really didnt put him on a T. I tried to make it look like I was trying to represent a T, but didn÷t have it.
Anyways in the last days I have run into spots like this where villain was holding trips with bigger kicker.
BTW, I like your game, what are you still doing at 50NL /images/graemlins/grin.gif
Jamougha
08-02-2007, 04:38 PM
Time to give up on the bluff..
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I hate the flop 3bet, unless we have a lot prior agerssion in our history I like to take a passive line in such situations.
You have position, IMO should not play a big pot in this spot. Call his flop c/r. If he checks the turn you can bet it or check behind. If he checks river, bet it:/
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IMO a flop call seems as much suspicious as a small raise. Villain could be thinking that by raising small Im trying to represent an T and finding out where I stand.
shoxbb6
08-02-2007, 05:03 PM
Whats with the 1/2 pot turn bet?
ocdscale
08-02-2007, 05:32 PM
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check behind. he is not calling with a bare ace. the only thing u are beating and get value from is T2.
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The 3 kicker doesn't play. We aren't beating any Tx hands and are behind T4, T6+
ama0330
08-02-2007, 05:35 PM
I dont know if I like this turn bet either
gumpzilla
08-02-2007, 05:37 PM
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I dont know if I like this turn bet either
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Here's why I like the turn bet. By betting half pot ourselves in that spot, I think we'll frequently get to set a cheaper price against better Ts than if we check the turn and lead him to bet the river. Checking behind the turn would be a good way to induce a bluff, but given the flop action I think a bluff is very unlikely.
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I dont know if I like this turn bet either
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Here's why I like the turn bet. By betting half pot ourselves in that spot, I think we'll frequently get to set a cheaper price against better Ts than if we check the turn and lead him to bet the river. Checking behind the turn would be a good way to induce a bluff, but given the flop action I think a bluff is very unlikely.
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yes, I made a small turn bet to suck in any Ace. However, for some reason I really didn`t believe villain had a T. He showed T7 Btw.
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