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AskMyDiaRy
08-02-2007, 09:51 AM
PartyPoker $50 NL Hold'em <font color="#0000FF">(6 handed)</font> HandRecorder v0.9b (http://www.dmasn.com/handrecorder)

Stacks &amp; Stats
SB ($149.22)
BB ($72.67) (14/10/1.83/40) (162h)
MP ($68.18)
CO ($57.58)
UTG ($38.69)
Hero ($79.41)

Preflop: Hero is BU with Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif
UTG calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#FF0000">Hero raises to $2.50</font>, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, <font color="#FF0000">BB raises to $7.50</font>, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, Hero calls $5.

Flop: ($15.75) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#FF0000">BB bets $9</font>, Hero calls $9.

Turn: ($33.75) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($33.75) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#FF0000">BB bets $10.50</font>, Hero calls $10.50.

Final Pot: $54.75.

This guy seems to be very tight. I called the flop because I think this is WA/WB and draws are not very likely. I wanted to fold to any Turn barrel, at the River I thought I was behind but called b/c of pot odds.
What do you think?
Spurious
08-02-2007, 09:54 AM
What do you put him on preflop?
AA/KK?: Fold flop, since you played that hand preflop for set value.
TT+?: Raise preflop.
AQs+,AQ+?: Raise preflop and raise flop.


Your play seems pretty weird.
hellmuth88
08-02-2007, 09:54 AM
i would played it the same way......
reef2287
08-02-2007, 09:59 AM
i kinda like it, it helps you put more of a range what bb is giong to repop you for from the blinds, but i raise the flop to that bet and then give up, i don't see a tight player calling a reraise there except with aa or kk, and with 2 diamonds, i don't want ak of diamonds getting there
hellmuth88
08-02-2007, 10:02 AM
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AA/KK?: Fold flop, since you played that hand preflop for set value.

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against a very weak bet, i certainly am floating him once here in position.... because he probably plays ak/tt+ the same way

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TT+?: Raise preflop.

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why? so that he can fold the hands we beat, and push the hands we dont beat (or coinflipping with)

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AQs+,AQ+?: Raise preflop and raise flop.

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he's probably too tight to play aq this way, maybe a aqs some times....
Spurious
08-02-2007, 10:06 AM
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AA/KK?: Fold flop, since you played that hand preflop for set value.

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against a very weak bet, i certainly am floating him once here in position.... because he probably plays ak/tt+ the same way

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TT+?: Raise preflop.

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why? so that he can fold the hands we beat, and push the hands we dont beat (or coinflipping with)


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AQs+,AQ+?: Raise preflop and raise flop.

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he's probably too tight to play aq this way, maybe a aqs some times....

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I don't understand why hero isn't 4betting this hand preflop? We got position and we got a good hand. He's not folding JJ to a raise preflop. Hero never made a stand in this hand.
AskMyDiaRy
08-02-2007, 10:16 AM
What are you up to? I get 3bettet in this Hand by a quite tight player, and I'm not used to 4bet preflop with QQ. A 4bet would be good on NL400 I suppose, but at NL50 people don't 3bet that light, especially a villain like this!
sightless
08-02-2007, 10:52 AM
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i kinda like it, it helps you put more of a range what bb is giong to repop you for from the blinds, but i raise the flop to that bet and then give up, i don't see a tight player calling a reraise there except with aa or kk, and with 2 diamonds, i don't want ak of diamonds getting there

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so the point of your raise is to make the hands you beat fold?
reef2287
08-02-2007, 10:55 AM
well what do you do after calling his 3 bet on a flop like this? become a calling station? if you raise and get repopped your toast, the only 10s kings aces beat you, only jjs you have dominated and ak-- to me that 9 dollars looks like a cbet and he just wants to take it down
JuicyBones
08-02-2007, 11:06 AM
Why don't we want to bet behind his turn check? Doesn't an overpair fire the 2nd barrel here?
mvdgaag
08-02-2007, 11:58 AM
I call and fold flop. Almost noone 4bets hands that we beat. We are getting immediate odds of 2:1 and the rest will most likely go in when you hit a set. If I mis this flop I put him on AA/KK.

These situations suck.
sightless
08-02-2007, 12:33 PM
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well what do you do after calling his 3 bet on a flop like this?/quote]
if he bets big fold
if not check behind and reevaluate
turnign your hand into a bluff is never a good idea