I turn a set. ...... HOWEVER

[Fiksdal]

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh))

SB: $66.70
BB: $63.28
UTG: $49.50
Hero (MP): $51.24
CO: $25.57
BTN: $49.25

Reads: <font color="blue">Villain is a TAG, 24/16/1.3 over 113 hands.

I have been 39/35/2.2 over about the same sample.

We haven't been 3betting each other much though.</font>

Preflop: Hero is dealt T/images/graemlins/spade.gif Thttp://legopoker.com/hh/images/club.gif (6 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2.00</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $7.00</font>, BB folds, Hero calls $5.00

Flop: ($14.50) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif J/images/graemlins/spade.gif 9http://legopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif (2 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($14.50) Thttp://legopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif (2 Players)
SB checks,

What would you do here?

[creamfillin]

Check.

When is the flop check ever not a set? if it was AK he just turned the nuts. KK also makes a straight obv. You beat NOTHING. Call an absurdly small river bet.

[hellmuth88]

just check behind, hope to show it down for cheap....

[HBomb]

You're saying this TAG is checking twice after raising preflop out of position? I think he would have at least fired a bet on the flop, and if not, definitely the turn if he's expecting to get any sort of value out of this hand. I think we can beat alot here, plus not to mention betting out any flush draws possible.

[Fiksdal]

Anyone stab the flop once checked to?

[ama0330]

Check behind, get to SD. I would say you are still ahead a little here, but if he has like AA/KK you want him to bet the river anyway, and you are throwing money to just about every other hand in his range if you bet this turn.

So I wouuld check here and call a reasonable river bet.

[hellmuth88]

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You're saying this TAG is checking twice after raising preflop out of position? I think he would have at least fired a bet on the flop, and if not, definitely the turn if he's expecting to get any sort of value out of this hand. I think we can beat alot here, plus not to mention betting out any flush draws possible.

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we beat allot, thats maybe true...... but betting doesnt achieve anything because you wont get value from any of his weaker hands

[Fiksdal]

Ama we don't beat KK! lol

So maybe just hope for the board to pair?

btw anyone fold preflop?

[ama0330]

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You're saying this TAG is checking twice after raising preflop out of position? I think he would have at least fired a bet on the flop, and if not, definitely the turn if he's expecting to get any sort of value out of this hand. I think we can beat alot here, plus not to mention betting out any flush draws possible.

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we beat allot, thats maybe true...... but betting doesnt achieve anything because you wont get value from any of his weaker hands

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precisement monsieur

[ama0330]

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Ama we don't beat KK! lol

So maybe just hope for the board to pair?

btw anyone fold preflop?

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ohh yah... 6 tabling atm forgive me! /images/graemlins/laugh.gif in that case river call is thinner but I probs still call. obv if river pairs you are gold.

I can fold preflop too, yes.

[reef2287]

why fold preflop with position on a hand that can become a monster and is relatively easy to dump? why not c-bet that flop? as played check, call VB on the river

[leo.]

A 3bet out of the blinds is often very strong, however u have a very loose image. Id check behind here, alot beats u but on the other hand what does he check twice with (AK??). On river id only call a small bet.

[ama0330]

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why fold preflop with position on a hand that can become a monster and is relatively easy to dump? why not c-bet that flop? as played check, call VB on the river

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TT plays like 77 preflop. It cant stand overcards and has no value versus villains range. Given stack sizes, a call preflop is extremely marginal and probably -EV.

[Alexey]

With such loose image you shouldnt fold this preflop. I would check turn - call 1/2 pot bet on river

[members_only]

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Anyone stab the flop once checked to?

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I think he's check-calling one street too often here for this to be a good idea.

[hellmuth88]

i think you shouldnt hardly ever fold 1010 in this spot, unless villain is uber tight and doesnt have a full stack....
1010 is very strong in a 6 max game, unlike smaller pairs you wont play 1010 only for set value

[ama0330]

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i think you shouldnt hardly ever fold 1010 in this spot, unless villain is uber tight and doesnt have a full stack....
1010 is very strong in a 6 max game, unlike smaller pairs you wont play 1010 only for set value

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You call preflop. Flop comes 372 rainbow. He checks, you bet, and he checkraises all in. Do you call?

[reef2287]

lots more depend on it, but if i'm seen as a lose, aggressive, cbetter and have been abusing villan than yes, if nothing out of the line has happened at the table and i'm not seen as that aggressive then no

[ama0330]

thats pretty bad imo

[hellmuth88]

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i think you shouldnt hardly ever fold 1010 in this spot, unless villain is uber tight and doesnt have a full stack....
1010 is very strong in a 6 max game, unlike smaller pairs you wont play 1010 only for set value

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You call preflop. Flop comes 372 rainbow. He checks, you bet, and he checkraises all in. Do you call?

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against a huge overbet on such a dry board i probably pass this one......

so what do you want to suggest??? play only aa/kk/ak?
because with hands like aq you will get the same problem, when you hit a pair....
its all about postflop skills IMO, and with 1010 i almost always want to see a flop........

[FatSheep]

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TT plays like 77 preflop. It cant stand overcards and has no value versus villains range. Given stack sizes, a call preflop is extremely marginal and probably -EV.

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Agree. Fold preflop.

[reef2287]

yeah don't play poker, just fold preflop-- good plan, i only play aa, ak, or maybe kk but i seem to always get coolered by aces

[prodonkey]

39/35? I need to play at your tables

[corsakh]

What sort of a flop do you hope to hit with TT? /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Fiksdal]

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39/35? I need to play at your tables

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Party Poker

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lol good luck with that!

Anyway, it was variance of course. Normally running a lot tighter, especially on party.

[ama0330]

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yeah don't play poker, just fold preflop-- good plan, i only play aa, ak, or maybe kk but i seem to always get coolered by aces

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lol man, for real

[prodonkey]

I have you at 45/41 over 200 hands on full tilt though

[hellmuth88]

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What sort of a flop do you hope to hit with TT? /images/graemlins/smile.gif

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i could ask you do same question for all other pokerhands, except of aa/kk/ak

[prodonkey]

AK kinda needs to hit a flop usually too.

[corsakh]

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What sort of a flop do you hope to hit with TT? /images/graemlins/smile.gif

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i could ask you do same question for all other pokerhands, except of aa/kk/ak

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Sorry, your range's too loose. I only know how to play AA.

[traz]

check turn

[corsakh]

Traz, my man. Wanna trade stars? Paying on FTP immediately /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[traz]

hah sorry, I couldn't resist teasing you :P

[hellmuth88]

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AK kinda needs to hit a flop usually too.

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thats no my point.... my point is that you could argue folding anything but the best hands....

so why dont we all keep folding hands like aq?? i can ask you the same question: What do you want to flop?

[prodonkey]

that's how i play.. AA/KK only.. QQ sometimes.

[reef2287]

i mean there is a point to be made a tag reraising from BB is committing suicide with anything but the goods, so i guess i could find a fold-- the fact that this is an insta-call in my book, is that a huge leak? whats a good range to put a tag 3betting from the blinds?

[corsakh]

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thats no my point.... my point is that you could argue folding anything but the best hands....

so why dont we all keep folding hands like aq?? i can ask you the same question: What do you want to flop?

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I like your confidence and your tone. Thats so good. Especially in poker /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[prodonkey]

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i mean there is a point to be made a tag reraising from BB is committing suicide with anything but the goods, so i guess i could find a fold-- the fact that this is an insta-call in my book, is that a huge leak? whats a good range to put a tag 3betting from the blinds?

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If it's an insta call yes it's probably a leak.. TT isn't going to fare well vs a tight players 3 betting range from the blinds.

[rjacobs003]

Against this reraise range JJ+,AJs+,KQs,AJo+ - which i think is fairly wide given his stats, you're nearly a coin-flip so I would check behind on this turn. If a rag falls and he bets the river, call a reasonable bet.

[reef2287]

but what does a TAG think about someone running 25/22 which is my typical stats? would his range vary then just raising the goods? does his image of you matter or at NL 50 hes just more basing off his own cards from the blinds?

[rjacobs003]

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whats a good range to put a tag 3betting from the blinds?

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Interesting question. Anyone done any work on pre-flop reraise to pre-flop raise stats ratio's?

[grizadams]

Villain is a TAG, 24/16/1.3 over 113 hands.
Is a vpip of 24 considerd tight? And isn't 1.3af on the weak side?

my PT stats say I'm Semi loose agressive agressive @19/13/2.5

[monkeymaps]

no one mentioned that usually a TAG 3-bet range from the SB is pretty tight.If you raised on the BTN id 3-bet you with a wide range from the SB but you didnt. id say AK and JJ+ is villans range if he is good and adjusting to your image maybe 88-99 too and AQs you should just check this turn i dont see much value in betting here.

[Fiksdal]

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I have you at 45/41 over 200 hands on full tilt though

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lol.. well that was probably from the session today where I was steaming like a machine haha.. my stats over larger samples are something like 23/19

[prodonkey]

fold to c-bet 0.. raise c-bet 100 LOL

Watch out for my AJ