Standard line? (NL50)

[michaelantoi]

Seat 1: <font color="#000000">SB</font> ($53,85)
Seat 3: <font color="#000000">BB</font> ($9,70)
Seat 5: <font color="#000000">UTG</font> ($48,20)
Seat 8: <font color="#000000">Hero</font> ($50,50)
Seat 10: <font color="#000000">BTN</font> ($23,70)

<font color="#000000">SB</font> posts small blind of $0,25
<font color="#000000">BB</font> posts big blind of $0,50

Dealt to Hero [Q/images/graemlins/club.gif Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif]

<font color="#000000">UTG</font> folds
<font color="#000000">Hero</font> raises to $2,00
<font color="#000000">BTN</font> folds
<font color="#000000">SB</font> raises to $4,25
<font color="#000000">BB</font> folds
<font color="#000000">Hero</font> raises to $10,00
<font color="#000000">SB</font> raises to $22,25

[RichAM]

who are you lol ... BB or CO lol

[RichAM]

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who are you lol ... BB or CO lol

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really doesn't matter ... felt the hand w/o reads or call the second raise

[justhetip]

Felt means fold or shove?

Looks a lot like AA/KK/AK to me ... and more so the former.

[RichAM]

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Felt means fold or shove?

Looks a lot like AA/KK/AK to me ... and more so the former.

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Felt means get it all in.

Well, without reads you really can't just put your oppo on AA/KK/AK ... if you do this then you will fold so many better hands against villain.

[justhetip]

The reason why it looks like AA/KK to me is
1) Hero puts in standard raise
2) Villain minraises (3rd bet)
3) Hero reraises 2.5 times (4th bet)
4) Villain minraises again (5th bet)

I've been reading somewhere that says 5th bet is usually AA/KK. Whatever, maybe he does this with 22 or even 99. W/o reads I fold until he shows me he is going to do this without a strong hand. Maybe I'm too tight.

[RichAM]

I'm just saying ... you dont want to get into the habit of folding QQ PF

[michaelantoi]

IMO this is AA/KK/AK a lot of the time.

Should I have taken a different line? (ie. not 4bet him and see a flop)

I figure if he has AA/KK better to find out now than to pay more to find out on the flop.

[infinite_loop]

The small re-raise from the SB is usually pretty strong. I don't mind just calling the 3-bet and seeing a flop here.

If he has an underpair you're still getting pretty good value out of him (even though it's unlikely). AK won't hit every flop so you're usually in good shape there because you have position.

AA/KK is why we should be calling the 3-bet. If we spike, we crack it.

He's giving you great odds to crack him. See a flop. If this is not just a random opponent and you have a really good read, maybe we 4-bet. But this kind of thing just rarely happens.

[danny8]

completely readless i just call his min 3bet and see a flop. If you've been stealing a lot and he knows you have a very wide range i'd 4bet and call a shove

[murmeltier21]

i like a 4bet and fold to a min5bet. you only invested 10bucks and i would definately put villain on AA KK or the other two queens (which is unlikely).
i like your line.
if you call that min 3bet you have no clue what kind of hand he has

[danny8]

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i like a 4bet and fold to a min5bet. you only invested 10bucks and i would definately put villain on AA KK or the other two queens (which is unlikely).
i like your line.
if you call that min 3bet you have no clue what kind of hand he has

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4betting and folding to a 5bet makes the hand much easier to play but i think it has much lower EV. by doing that you allow him to play perfectly. He can shove AA/KK, and ofld everything else.

on the other hand the info you get isnt really reliable. he could 5bet AK, or JJ, and obv folding then is terrable.

i dont think you should 4bet if your planning to fold to a 5bet. eiter just call his 3bet, or 4bet and call a shove.

[hellmuth88]

without out any reads, this really looks like aa/kk
i would fold this....

[infinite_loop]

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4betting and folding to a 5bet makes the hand much easier to play but i think it has much lower EV

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Perfectly stated.

[leo.]

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without out any reads, this really looks like aa/kk
i would fold this....

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[hunt1897]

Very player dependent, I would just call RR, you are in position, this lets you play the hand a little easier.
As played, make decision now, you can't call here, fold or felt.

IMO.