It's usually a war and I don't like giving up

[Fiksdal]

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh))

SB: $24.30
BB: $39.25
UTG: $74.10
Hero (CO): $95.95
BTN: $27.95

Reads: <font color="blue">Villain is 20/16/1 over 43 hands. His cbet rate has been 100%.

I've been 29/21/10 at this table.</font>

Preflop: Hero is dealt 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif (5 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2.00</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $8.00</font>, 2 folds,

At this point I decide to call and CRAI on the favorable flops. Thoughts? Is that +EV?

[HBomb]

I think it's just one of those 50/50 situations, whether you put him on just 2 overs or maybe a weaker pair making a play on you. But in general, against people with about 50BB's with these kinds of stats it seems that he will often stack off with whatever he has if he's committing 1/3 of his stack preflop to the pot.

[riske]

Has he 3-bet you before? I don't think there's much room to make him fold on the flop, given stacks.

[monkover]

I don´t really like this play... against a reagular with a full bi this is a very effective play I wouldn´t do it 50bb deep though. another factor that makes this a fold is that you seem to be very active at this table. af=10 so he prob thinks you´re a maniac.

[Fiksdal]

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Has he 3-bet you before? I don't think there's much room to make him fold on the flop, given stacks.

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On the flops where I CRAI, I don't want him to fold. DUCY?

[reef2287]

i like a lot, worst case senario we learn that he will play big pairs like this and we lose 1/4 of our stack on a friendly flop, i think your good at least half the time here if you get it in on the right flop, which i'm sure you do, so i'm a fan-- it also makes it easier to play your monster pairs the same way, people will remember this and always be like hes raising with air or middle pp's

[riske]

It still feels like his range crushes you here, shorties rarely 3b light. Of course he's commited on the flop, question is how often he will have overs as opposed to bigger pockets.

[monkover]

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Has he 3-bet you before? I don't think there's much room to make him fold on the flop, given stacks.

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On the flops where I CRAI, I don't want him to fold. DUCY?

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Then just 4bet preflop.

[hunt1897]

With his stats, he looks like a decent short stacker, I would fold pre-flop to his RR.

IMO.

[Splossy]

Which flops are you intending to CRAI on?

[Fiksdal]

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a decent short stacker

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lololololo





No, I know what you mean actually. Decent for being a shortstacker.

[InsideEdge]

Id fold pf.

So many fops you wont like and he wont fold a hand thats beats you on the flop after your check raise.

No odds to set mine either.

[TilTandWiN]

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Which flops are you intending to CRAI on?

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exactly my question - a over card will fall on the flop 86.7% of the time - so if you are calling a friendly flop just unders it is very -EV. It is also -EV if you are looking for a flop containing no broadway cards.

[Pokerdemic]

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Which flops are you intending to CRAI on?

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[Fiksdal]

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Which flops are you intending to CRAI on?

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low ones, ldo. Not just overpair flops, I'm of course doing it on flops like TT2, J22, 9T6, Q34 etc.

[Peter Harris]

fold or shove PF given stack.

[Pokerdemic]

I am confused, not because I think the line is wrong, but because I am a relative beginner. His cbet is going to have to be relatively large right? And a check-raise is going to put him all in? If this is the case why not push preflop and get some FE?

[Magaca]

i have to ask what does ldo mean?

will do?

Dont know about the play but cant wait to see results.

[Peter Harris]

LDO = Like, Duh, Obviously.

[nukewell]

i dont think i like it

if he c/bets he's committed to the hand anyway, i think a shorty's 3 bet range has u crushed he has overs or a better pair. if u want to get it in just 4 bet shove

spose it would hurt your image

[Magaca]

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LDO = Like, Duh, Obviously.

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Thanks ldo!

[kitchma]

I like it. On the flop the pot will be ~$16 and he has $20 left. Any reasonable bet and he will be committed. By waiting till the flop to crai instead of 4betting we can get away from the hand if high cards come on the flop.

[murmeltier21]

fold against this stack. if he is also deep you can call this for set value or make a move on the flop. but that guy will only have 1.5 PSBs left if you call..

[Mingdu]

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fold or shove PF given stack.

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here it is

[orig!naL]

fold pre-flop.. no odds to flop your set here and best case scenario I think you're up against 2 overs.

[terencetsao]

fold or shove preflop too

[Antinome]

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Has he 3-bet you before? I don't think there's much room to make him fold on the flop, given stacks.

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On the flops where I CRAI, I don't want him to fold. DUCY?

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No, I don't. If he's bet say, 10, and the pot is 26 and I c/r him all in and he has 10 to call for 36 he should call with overcards, because his equity is at least 25% and can easily be as high as 45%. We want him calling incorrectly, or better yet, folding.

I'm a big fan of playing hands like 88 for more than set value, and using our ability to 'detect' a whiffed hand post-flop, but I don't think we have enough edge here to do that.

[hunt1897]

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fold or shove PF given stack.

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Completely Disagree!!

[Peter Harris]

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fold or shove PF given stack.

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Completely Disagree!!

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I'm happy for you.