View Full Version : when to call a pf raise?
jerryf1914
08-01-2007, 03:59 AM
how often should i be calling pf raises in position? my pf raise call has always been really low (3%) is this good or bad? usually i only call with small pp's should i open up more?
RichAM
08-01-2007, 04:03 AM
really depends on stats/reads from the raiser to determine when to call/raise
i think w/o stats/reads your % is fine
short answer: it depends
3% does seem kind of low though
JackAll
08-01-2007, 08:08 AM
Wow, you are really missing some positional advantage here. In position I would say adding in sc's (unless you 3-bet them which is fine), and probably s-1-gappers, and AXs.
Suited stuff in position is the nuts =)
minSim
08-01-2007, 08:16 AM
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Wow, you are really missing some positional advantage here. In position I would say adding in sc's (unless you 3-bet them which is fine), and probably s-1-gappers, and AXs.
Suited stuff in position is the nuts =)
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Are you sure about this?
IMO SC's (AKs,KQs excluded) are at best marginal winners for most players. Calling Axs against a single raise is definately not profitable for most players.
monkover
08-01-2007, 08:21 AM
I´m also calling w/ hands like AJ vs nits who´s 3bet calling range has my AJ in husge trouble.
TilTandWiN
08-01-2007, 08:28 AM
This is a part of my game I know I have to work on - at the moment I am a player who basically never (except for small pokect pairs) calls pre flop raises. I am a massive 3 better - and my 3 betting range is probably far to wide.
I think that calling PFRs in position is actually a very important part of poker. Sometimes I watch some 600NL tables and there are some players that have a very very unconventional style (that I would consider fishy if I saw them at 50NL) that do really well - and these players make alot of marginal calls in positoin pre flop.
Jzo19
08-01-2007, 08:35 AM
i like calling drawing hands TJs,QJs, and if im deep vs some1 is deep 2 , ill call 108s and such , AJs is def a calling hand for me but ill fold AJo
Fiksdal
08-01-2007, 08:38 AM
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I´m also calling w/ hands like AJ vs nits who´s 3bet calling range has my AJ in husge trouble.
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In this case you shouldn't be playing the hand at all, DUCY?
TilTandWiN
08-01-2007, 08:41 AM
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i like calling drawing hands TJs,QJs, and if im deep vs some1 is deep 2 , ill call 108s and such , AJs is def a calling hand for me but ill fold AJo
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At the moment all those hands, 10Js, JQs, 108s and AJs are all in my 3betting range? Is this a leak?
Jzo19
08-01-2007, 08:48 AM
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i like calling drawing hands TJs,QJs, and if im deep vs some1 is deep 2 , ill call 108s and such , AJs is def a calling hand for me but ill fold AJo
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At the moment all those hands, 10Js, JQs, 108s and AJs are all in my 3betting range? Is this a leak?
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its def not standard , but i know players who 3bet a ton at 50nl and are succesful ,,,,u just have to make sure you dont stack of with a pr of jacks when u raise with jts ,
monkover
08-01-2007, 09:01 AM
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I´m also calling w/ hands like AJ vs nits who´s 3bet calling range has my AJ in husge trouble.
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In this case you shouldn't be playing the hand at all, DUCY?
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uhm no... a 17/15 or whatever might be very nitty calling 3bets but my AJ is better than his open raising range
TilTandWiN
08-01-2007, 09:05 AM
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i like calling drawing hands TJs,QJs, and if im deep vs some1 is deep 2 , ill call 108s and such , AJs is def a calling hand for me but ill fold AJo
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At the moment all those hands, 10Js, JQs, 108s and AJs are all in my 3betting range? Is this a leak?
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its def not standard , but i know players who 3bet a ton at 50nl and are succesful ,,,,u just have to make sure you dont stack of with a pr of jacks when u raise with jts ,
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Alot of my 3 bets are not for show down value - but just to create +EV spots (where it is likley to be checked to me, where I will bet, and villan will fold arround 80% of the time). It also allows you to create a decent LAGy table image. I often do it ALOT at the start of a session and then tighen up my 3betting range.
Jzo19
08-01-2007, 09:07 AM
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I´m also calling w/ hands like AJ vs nits who´s 3bet calling range has my AJ in husge trouble.
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In this case you shouldn't be playing the hand at all, DUCY?
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uhm no... a 17/15 or whatever might be very nitty calling 3bets but my AJ is better than his open raising range
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just barely (whats a 17/15 utg,utg+1 opening range AJ+KQ all PP and maybe ATs) ,,,i think u get yourself in trouble with AJ and u hit an ace or w/e ,,,
monkover
08-01-2007, 09:09 AM
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I´m also calling w/ hands like AJ vs nits who´s 3bet calling range has my AJ in husge trouble.
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In this case you shouldn't be playing the hand at all, DUCY?
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uhm no... a 17/15 or whatever might be very nitty calling 3bets but my AJ is better than his open raising range
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just barely (whats a 17/15 utg,utg+1 opening range AJ+KQ all PP and maybe ATs) ,,,i think u get yourself in trouble with AJ and u hit an ace or w/e ,,,
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it depends on wether you think you can outplay villain postflop or not. And this is the case most of the time at 50NL
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