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jkiddy07
08-01-2007, 03:27 AM
I think villain was running 30/16/1.6 over 150

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.30 BB (2 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Button ($73.75)
Hero ($163.20)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif.
[color=#CC3333]Button raises to $1.05</font>, [color=#CC3333]Hero raises to $3.3</font>, [color=#CC3333]Button raises to $10.05</font>, Hero calls $6.

Flop: ($19.35) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif [color=#0000FF](2 players)</font>
Hero checks, [color=#CC3333]Button bets $15</font>, Hero calls $15.

Turn: ($49.35) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif [color=#0000FF](2 players)</font>
Hero checks, [color=#CC3333]Button bets $49.75 (All-In)</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $-0.39

C4LL4W4Y
08-01-2007, 03:33 AM
are you seroius????

i don't hate preflop because of your stacksizes - 5betting is certainly going to commit your stack whether you shove or make it smaller, and you are fairly 200 bbs deep after the 4b call.

the flop is villain dependent..if he's aggro i'll donk/3bai, standard i'd c/r. call is atrocious.

wtf is that turn?

RichAM
08-01-2007, 04:28 AM
wow, just wow

$100 says he had AQ, there is no way in hell i would fold top 2 against this guy

bluffbetter
08-01-2007, 04:50 AM
I think the 4-bet preflop means villain has either AA-QQ or AK and possibly add JJ and maybe AQ, but these last 2 are less likely. I don't think folding to the 4-bet is bad, or you could raise it against a tight player, but I doubt this player can fold queens here.

I think once you get to the flop the trouble with the line, check-call check-call is that villains range is too tight for him to be bluffing alot, so you are not inducing a bluff here enough for it to be prfitable, because most of his range beats you. So if you are going to play preflopas you did then I think you have to bet flop and fold to a raise.

RichAM
08-01-2007, 04:56 AM
what I dont get is where the hell is the c/r on the flop ???

you played it so bad post-flop it's so hard to tell you how to play the turn

Reef
08-01-2007, 05:50 AM
I just puked a little in my mouth ... you got the perfect flop and ended up folding?

Flop CRAI

JackAll
08-01-2007, 08:26 AM
This is HU? Meaning his 4-bet range is wider than normal.

c/push flop
never fold

kitchma
08-01-2007, 11:18 AM
my first instict is like everyone else: crai on the flop.

But here's my problem with that. Of all the hands in villain's range (JJ+ AQo+), he only calls that bet with one hand that we beat, AQ. All of the other hands that call have us crushed.

If we are ahead here we don't want to let him off easy and a crai lets him play perfectly. The more I think about it I like c/c on the flop and lead for 1/2 pot on turn. By the turn there is only one psb left so getting the rest in should be easy if he has anything.

Peter Harris
08-01-2007, 11:50 AM
his range is wider HU NL in position. AJo/s and TT are also added to his range definitely. Maybe more.

EDIT: also bear in mind AK is definitely possible and hero just gave up his half of the pot.

hunt1897
08-01-2007, 11:58 AM
Please don't post results, allows for better discussion.
You need to make decision on the flop, don't call, crai or fold here. If you think you are beat on the flop, you are drawing very slim on the turn.
Easy Call on the river.

IMO.

kitchma
08-01-2007, 01:36 PM
I just realized that the hand started as heads up. Doh!