(50NL) standard lead into pfr with whiffed pp?

[Mariogs379]

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Hero ($53.20)
BB ($54.10)
UTG ($30.90)
MP ($14.90)
CO ($114.25)
Button ($81.60)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $1.5</font>, Hero calls $1.25, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($3.50) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3</font>, Button folds.

Final Pot: $3.50

[blackize]

Unless villain is nitty just 3bet preflop

[Mariogs379]

why 3-bet instead of just trying to flop a set?
isn't a mid pp way too hard to play post-flop which is why 3-betting is bad...

[bizzym00]

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why 3-bet instead of just trying to flop a set?
isn't a mid pp way too hard to play post-flop which is why 3-betting is bad...

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i don't understand your logic. 3-betting makes it a smaller chance that the hand will make it to the flop so thus you would play post-flop less with it. also, take control of the betting

[Capone]

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why 3-bet instead of just trying to flop a set?
isn't a mid pp way too hard to play post-flop which is why 3-betting is bad...

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i don't understand your logic. 3-betting makes it a smaller chance that the hand will make it to the flop so thus you would play post-flop less with it. also, take control of the betting

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exactly his range for opening on the button (unless he is a nit) is very wide and we are ahead of it the majoirty of the time. By betting we are hoping to take down the put pf. And if it makes it to the flop, we can c-bet to take down the pot (about 1/2-2/3 of the pot), and 77 has a chance of flopping a monster.

[fees]

check raising is better

[blackize]

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exactly his range for opening on the button (unless he is a nit) is very wide and we are ahead of it the majoirty of the time. By betting we are hoping to take down the put pf. And if it makes it to the flop, we can c-bet to take down the pot (about 1/2-2/3 of the pot), and 77 has a chance of flopping a monster.

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Yep. Calling just to flop a set here is bad against most players because you won't get their stack most of the time(because they are opening so wide they won't have hands to pay you off with often enough).

[blackize]

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check raising is better

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Also true

[Mariogs379]

so calling then c/r is good?
but is 3betting pf and then c-betting better?

[obiedman]

bizzy m is right everybody listen to him

[blackize]

Calling is bad. Once you call c/ring is far superior to donking

[obiedman]

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Calling is bad. Once you call c/ring is far superior to donking

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calling is not that bad. fwiw, does anybody know of/remember the thread el diablo made once about c/r all A high flops against a button raiser? yea, i'm too lazy to find it but it's around somewhere

[blackize]

Calling is bad if he's set mining.

Calling is not "bad" otherwise but is still less good than 3betting.