NL25 QQ, flop get raised Push or Fold?

[pacman2k7]

No reads on Villain..

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh))

SB: $13.75
Hero (BB): $25.00
UTG: $40.80
CO: $22.20
BTN: $22.20

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif Q/images/graemlins/club.gif (5 Players)
2 folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $0.75</font>, SB folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $3.25</font>, BTN calls $2.50

Flop: ($6.60) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $5.25</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $15.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero ????

[pacman2k7]

is this situation though?

Nobody can make a decision?

[KEW]

SHOVE if villain has a set I'll pay it off..I think you'll see draws and lower pair hands enough to be +EV...

[pacman2k7]

thanks for the answer.and what about AA KK?

[pacman2k7]

cause the new donk style is call rr pfr and push flop

[KEW]

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thanks for the answer.and what about AA KK?

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AA/KK are in his range(I would play AA like this but not KK)..Most villains(absent a read) will 4 bet them PF so I usually discount them...

OTOH if AA and KK is in his range that will make a shove even more +EV IMO...That would show a tendency to slowplay and make a flop set less likely and pushing a weaker made hand or draw more likely..

Also IMO we have put in to much of our effective stack to fold an overpair in this "steal" raise position hand...

[pacman2k7]

I see, then please comment this another QQ situation.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...=2#Post11414834 (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&amp;Number=11414834&amp;an=0&amp;page=2#Pos t11414834)

[KEW]

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cause the new donk style is call rr pfr and push flop

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This will vary and have a lot to do with your image..

If I was button and had AA the tighter the BB is the more likely I am to 4 bet and try to get AI PF..Conversely if BB has a Laggy image I will call and raise the flop...A lags 3 bet range is much greater and is less likely to have a hand he'll take to the felt PF...But will C-bet nearly 100% of the time...

[KEW]

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I see, then please comment this another QQ situation.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...=2#Post11414834 (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&amp;Number=11414834&amp;an=0&amp;page=2#Pos t11414834)

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Did not want to bump an old thread..I would shove there to..Sometimes you just need to go broke..

[pacman2k7]

Sometimes..

4 times in 1000 hands, 3x QQvKK, 1x KKvsAA (flopped sets for both of us) oh and 1 KK vs. 64suited flush on river..

This is standard....

[pacman2k7]

next time I fold KK and QQ preflop or at least on flop if get raised..