KK 140BB deep

[murmeltier21]

Hey guys!
Villain is a fairly good player 25/17/3 and i know that he is capable of quite a few things to vary his game.
I don't really want to play for stacks when he calls my flop bet on this raggy board. so what about the turn first!

Party Poker
No Limit Hold'em Cash Game
$0.25/$0.50 Blinds
6 Players - (http://www.legopoker.com/hh)

SB: $53.87
BB: $48.69
UTG: $107.72
MP: $46.17
Hero (CO): $69.89
BTN: $51.94

Preflop: Hero is dealt Kc Kd (6 Players)
UTG raises to $2.00, MP folds, Hero raises to $8.00, 3 folds, UTG calls $6.00

Flop: ($16.75) 4s 2h 8c (2 Players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $12.00, UTG calls $12.00

Turn: ($40.75) 7s (2 Players)
UTG checks, Hero?

[schralekerel]

I would check, KK- is gonna fold to a turnbet only a set is going to call.

[Rednas]

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I would check, KK- is gonna fold to a turnbet only a set is going to call.

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Would you fold QQ here if hero bets?

[shoxbb6]

I prolly bet 25 on the turn, put the rest in on the river.

[Mike Kelley]

Check and call his value bet on the river? A8, or A4 might be a, UTG limp for him. It's in his range anyway... Or he may put you on total air continuation bet and he's just looking to take it down from you. Or he's got a set

Let's say he plays half his VPIP% from UTG... That's about right for a good player regarding PFR% Your equity on the flop vs. the top 12% of hands is

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 83.162% 82.79% 00.38% 109005 495.00 { KcKd }
Hand 1: 16.838% 16.46% 00.38% 21675 495.00 { 77+, A8s+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, ATo+, KJo+ }


On the turn if you narrow him down to any pair as his initial holding or A8, A4 or A2, which IMO eliminates him from being a great player...

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 74.039% 73.52% 00.52% 3138 22.00 { KcKd }
Hand 1: 25.961% 25.45% 00.52% 1086 22.00 { 22+, A8s, A4s, A2s, A8o, A4o, A2o }


To me the fact that A8s is the bottom of the range on aces and also top pair on the board is very interesting...

I think you need to bet here, I also like checking to induce a bluff on the river.

[Mike Kelley]

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I would check, KK- is gonna fold to a turnbet only a set is going to call.

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This isn't correct.

[schralekerel]

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I would check, KK- is gonna fold to a turnbet only a set is going to call.

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Would you fold QQ here if hero bets?

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Probably... I only beat JJ. So I am behind on his range if I was villain.

[Rednas]

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Check and call his value bet on the river? A8, or A4 might be a, UTG limp for him. It's in his range anyway... Or he may put you on total air continuation bet and he's just looking to take it down from you. Or he's got a set

Let's say he plays half his VPIP% from UTG... That's about right for a good player regarding PFR% Your equity on the flop vs. the top 12% of hands is

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 84.406% 84.02% 00.38% 4806 22.00 { KcKd }
Hand 1: 15.594% 15.21% 00.38% 870 22.00 { 77+, A8s+, KTs+, QTs+,


To me the fact that A8s is the bottom of the range on aces and also top pair on the board is very interesting...

I think you need to bet here, I also like checking to induce a bluff on the river.

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I think these ranges are to wide, villain raised preflop and called a 3-bet.

[schralekerel]

I think the range of villain PF is a PP or AK. On the turn the range of villain is a set or JJ+

[Mike Kelley]

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I think these ranges are to wide, villain raised preflop and called a 3-bet.

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I agree they are too wide. let's narrow them, I would think aces get 4bet here. Let's put villains preflop range at 66+AK or AQs Here is your equity on the flop...
Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

57,420 games 0.005 secs 11,484,000 games/sec

Board: 4s 2h 8c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 75.899% 75.04% 00.86% 43086 495.00 { KcKd }
Hand 1: 24.101% 23.24% 00.86% 13344 495.00 { 66+, AQs+, AKo }

I think on the turn it is unwise to give him credit for a set just because he called. It is just as likely he called with any overpair to the board or a set of 88's if he called preflop with 4's or 2's... He should have the fleas of a thousand camels infest his genitals.

So narrowing it down and eliminating AK or AQ which some people just won't let go of is bad IMO but here's the pokerstove.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 70.053% 68.58% 01.47% 1026 22.00 { KcKd }
Hand 1: 29.947% 28.48% 01.47% 426 22.00 { 88+ }

[Mike Kelley]

Would you mind posting the results so I can see how effective my hand ranging is? This is my first attempt...

[murmeltier21]

I check behind for pot control because i do not want to play for stacks on this board. Bet and fold to a c/r would have been the other option i guess.
River is the J of clubs and he checks it to me. What now?

[Spurious]

Fire around 30$

[Mike Kelley]

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Fire around 30$

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Isn't QQ the only thing that calls after that Jack falls that doesn't beat us?

AA,JJ,88. I don't understand this bet.

[ama0330]

It is incorrect to think about laying this down against this opponent as you are more than likely ahead but if you are unwilling to stack off here you are going to get outplayed. He can easily put you on AK and take you off on the turn. If you check this turn it should be to crai or c/c and bomb the river. I dont really know about a turn bet because I think its a little too strong, but I'm certainly not worried about being behind, because this opponent is capable of holding a wide range on this flop.

[murmeltier21]

results: he checks it to me and i make a value bet of 25bucks. he snapcalls and shows me QQ.

river is pretty standard as played i guess