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Mike Kelley
07-27-2007, 07:05 PM
Poker Stars
No Limit Hold'em Cash Game
$0.10/$0.25 Blinds
6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh))

Hero (SB): $26.05
BB: $25.00
UTG: $26.75
MP: $41.95
CO: $54.30
BTN: $17.75

Preflop: Hero is dealt J/images/graemlins/spade.gif T/images/graemlins/spade.gif (6 Players)
UTG folds, MP calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25, BTN folds, Hero calls $0.15, BB checks

Flop: ($1) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif J/images/graemlins/club.gif K/images/graemlins/spade.gif (4 Players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP checks, <font color="red">CO bets $0.25</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1.50</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $2.75</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises all-in to $25.80</font>, CO folds

Pot Size: $29.55 ($0.30 Rake)

shoxbb6
07-27-2007, 07:08 PM
I just lead this flop in a limped pot. Looks fine though otherwise

Rednas
07-27-2007, 07:09 PM
I would just bet out on the flop.
Rest is standard: oesfd = the nuts

Sportsrmylife
07-27-2007, 07:39 PM
re-min raise him again. If he shoves you have all his money in the pot with a great drawing hand!!!

Otherwise...what value did you get out of the hand?

maciczka
07-27-2007, 07:47 PM
Fine with me.

Mike Kelley
07-27-2007, 09:17 PM
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re-min raise him again. If he shoves you have all his money in the pot with a great drawing hand!!!

Otherwise...what value did you get out of the hand?

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Is this really wise?

EMc
07-27-2007, 09:24 PM
[ ] am I all in before the river?

If you can check that box than the answer is yes.

Mike Kelley
07-27-2007, 09:29 PM
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[ ] am I all in before the river?

If you can check that box than the answer is yes.

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Pro that coached me one time told me that you win 100% of the hands your opponents fold.

1tripz1
07-27-2007, 09:40 PM
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[ ] am I all in before the river?

If you can check that box than the answer is yes.

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Pro that coached me one time told me that you win 100% of the hands your opponents fold.

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This is true and will keep you deep in $25nl for years to come.

phatjeffrey
07-27-2007, 09:42 PM
didnt pro also teach u that winning a 200bb pot ~60% of the time &gt; winning a 40bb pot 100% of the time ?

Mike Kelley
07-27-2007, 09:51 PM
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didnt pro also teach u that winning a 200bb pot ~60% of the time &gt; winning a 40bb pot 100% of the time ?

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No, and you haven't taught me that yet either. Let's see some hand range poker equity in pokerstove if that's right.

Humito
07-27-2007, 10:38 PM
I'm far from beeing a decent player but here is how i see the situation:

for the all-in on the flop :
60% of 200BB= 120BB
40% of 200BB = 80BB
so 120-80=40BB, the same amount than winning 40BB pot 100% of the time
and you have the 200BB 60% of the time when call so 40BB too


But if you minraise and opponenet call, you have :

40BB 60% of time 24-16 = 8BB on the flop

If you don't hit, nearly 50/50 on the turn. So, if i don't make mistake, you just have some fold equity or hitting later street and induce your opponent to make mistake to gain money.
If you hit, you can have your opponent be drawing dead. Then you have to make him put 32 other BB (8$) to do as well as the all-in on the flop. It don't seem to be impossible.
Now i can't evaluate how many times he will have the made straight an reraise all-in on the flop (in this case, you won't win 60% of the time) and how many times he will have a lower flush or the A flush or a slow play made straight when you hit flush or...(there are others cases..but Poker is to complicated for my little brain /images/graemlins/crazy.gif )

So now make your choice /images/graemlins/wink.gif

Humito
07-27-2007, 11:01 PM
Just have to add for the flop min-raise solution; every time you are on the river and you have to fold because you don't hit , you only win 8BB (on the flop if just called by opponent) and the BB gain by fold equity on the turn.

It will be 32B (-those gain by turn FE) you have to gain the others times you hit. (or by bluffing the river, but this move could be EV- and is certainly because if the opponent preflop min raise and the fact that he's still here despit your aggressiv play on flop and turn)

You won't hit 40% of the time, so the 6 times you hit you have to gain for the 4 times you don't hit (and if you opponent never fold on the turn) so 32*4 /6 =21,xx
So you have to gain 32+21BB= 53BB = 13.25$ when you hit to gain as much as the re-re-raise all-in on the flop.

Even if this reasoning is right, it works for a simplified view of the hand, so let's just play as we feel /images/graemlins/grin.gif