50NL deep w/ AA c/r on flop

[jvans]

villain is 23/11/1.1/125 hero is 18/18/inf/20

bsolute Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
5 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)

Stack sizes:
UTG: $7.70
Hero: $105
Button: $48.40
SB: $17.65
BB: $98.50

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is CO with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif A/images/graemlins/spade.gif
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $1.5</font>, 2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises to $6</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $18</font>, BB calls.

Flop: 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif J/images/graemlins/club.gif ($36.25, 2 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $20</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises to $40</font>, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $20 returned to BB.

Results:
Final pot: $76.25

I'm only beatin KK here and if he wasn't willing to push pf w/ that i feel like he would play this flop passively, standard lay down?

[catoandtonic]

I like the lay down because your deep. Tough one, but stacking would be bad imo.

[Capitan23]

Based on the preflop action I think its safe to say this guy has a high pocket pair, I wouldn't completely rule out AK suited or pocket tens. I think you could go either way with this, I think the chances he has KK are the about the same as him having QQ or JJ. I don't think its a bad laydown.

[BevillTheDevil]

really discusting spot, tbh not really sure whats best here. If it was 3QJr i think i might be more inclined to check the flop but i dunno if this is a really great spot for that. Def a WA/WB spot IMO...but PM villians AP name ill let you know if you were ahead or not

[shoxbb6]

Laying down AA in a 4bet pot? no way is this standard.
I get it all in here and be happy about it.

[Xanta]

This is pretty good. Check/minraising in villains shoes would be bizzare, even if he does put you solely on aces after preflop. The only hand I could ever see him doing this with is AK that whiffed, and even then that's pretty rare for a player with reasonable PF stats to call a 4bet with. Also, if it were a bluff he'd probably make a bigger check/raise as he'd think that you'd be more likely to fold.

[tubasteve]

I check the flop.

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I check the flop.

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crai?

[whizzle]

sick situation. I think it's a good laydown but I would raise to 2 bucks PF. Just a minor detail :P

[ajmargarine]

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I check the flop.

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+1

[robinmbuk]

Yeah, I think your hand is fairly well defined pf, so it looks like QQ here most often. I think he wants you to call the flop minraise and pot commit yourself by doing so. Good fold.

[maciczka]

I don't believe with TT he would act so strong preflop when his VPIP is 23. So he has AK KK QQ or MAYBE JJ so You are behind 2/3 or 3/4 of the times at this flop. Do the math now...

[nutstoyou]

Like others are saying, the bet on the flop is pointless if you are going to fold to a raise.

[prodonkey]

What's wrong with shoving in preflop.. after all.. only AK or AQ would do that right.

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What's wrong with shoving in preflop.. after all.. only AK or AQ would do that right.

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not with these stacks

[Kairos]

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Do the math now..

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Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

12,870 games 0.016 secs 804,375 games/sec

Board: 3d Qd Jc
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 48.854% 45.18% 03.67% 5815 472.50 { AhAs }
Hand 1: 51.146% 47.47% 03.67% 6110 472.50 { JJ+ }

[ElDuque]

Did you see the hand(s) that he built his stack with? What happened?

[prodonkey]

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What's wrong with shoving in preflop.. after all.. only AK or AQ would do that right.

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not with these stacks

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What, it's 1 buy in, it's absolute.

[fees]

i think i 4bet bigger. Im not a huge fan of checking the flop but at this point bet/call and live with it if he suckd out