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Mariogs379
07-26-2007, 09:05 PM
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP ($131.70)
Hero ($50.15)
Button ($43)
SB ($87.70)
BB ($50)
UTG ($48.70)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $1.75</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $6</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP calls $4.25.

Flop: ($12.75) J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $11</font>, MP calls $11.

Turn: ($34.75) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP checks, Hero checks.

River: ($34.75) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP bets $114.7 (All-In)</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $-79.95
Man Our Units
07-26-2007, 09:06 PM
Looks fine IMO.
Antinome
07-26-2007, 09:10 PM
On really draw heavy boards I bite the bullet and fire turn even when top pair pairs.
Gorgias
07-26-2007, 09:19 PM
I don't understand why you checked the turn. He could be drawing to a diamond and you gave him a free card. Two pair is a decent holding and the board could become horrifying if a diamond hits, why not bet it?

I think he might call your flop bet with JJ,77,88 (for the set), any two diamonds (say 54s-JTs, AJ-AKs), QQ. You're in good shape against this range until the river, and then you are way behind.
ocdscale
07-26-2007, 11:16 PM
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Two pair is a decent holding

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You realize that the Jack barely helped our hand, right?
Capone
07-26-2007, 11:17 PM
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On really draw heavy boards I bite the bullet and fire turn even when top pair pairs.

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I agree, you should have bet the turn here.
EMc
07-27-2007, 01:23 AM
Im ok with how OP played this hand. OFten a villain will bluff bet that river with a missed diamond or a retarded 2pr. Betting the turn any amount commits us to calling a shove over.
ajmargarine
07-27-2007, 02:19 AM
Push turn. Profit vs 99/TT/QQ/AdKd.
SirFelixCat
07-27-2007, 02:23 AM
Checking the turn is horrible here in a 3bet pot. The odds that villain has a J here are quite diminished, so we bet here for pure value as well as to charge any draw, not to mention it keeps us from getting bluffed off the best hand more often than not, on the river.
Nytecaster
07-27-2007, 03:16 AM
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On really draw heavy boards I bite the bullet and fire turn even when top pair pairs.

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Actually, when the board comes off with a pair of the top card on the board, it has now become less likely your opponent holds that card and more likely it is a drawing hand. The downside is your position plays a huge part in how to proceed to get the most value or lose the least, depending on where you stand.