Step by step while sweating my horse

[Dan Bitel]

OK, I have 2 horses that I sweat (1 of which is sweatingmyhorse), this however is the other horse that I sweat.

Hero should have a pretty TAG image. We've been playing a 22/19/3 kinda game. Villain's stats are 17/5/4 after 100 or so hands.

We'll deal with flop 1st:

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh))

SB: $27.30
Hero (BB): $33.90
UTG: $44.45
CO: $24.65
BTN: $39.15

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q/images/graemlins/club.gif A/images/graemlins/club.gif (5 Players)
2 folds, BTN calls $0.25, SB folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $0.85</font>, BTN calls $0.60

Flop: ($1.80) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $1.20</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $3.50</font>, Hero......?

[mertzo]

Call

c/r nondiamond flops, b/f diamonds

[myammy]

if the turn is a nondiamond is donking to prevent a free card reasonable?

[prodonkey]

reraise to 8

[gobby888]

do u sweat random uNL playahs?

[IcarusJam]

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reraise to 8

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agreed this could be the button trying to steal or seeing where his mid pocket pair of tens, or small suited connectors lie. I think folding here is weak. His effective range is huge, a re-raise gives you more info than calling.

[Capone]

I'd re-raise to $12.

Villian could definately have the two diamonds. I think a flopped set from this villian would just call. A mid pocket pair or JJ is possible to.

[Antinome]

I think we're pretty even equity-wise against his whole range so I'm going to the turn, keeping the pot smallish, and waiting for his range's equity to drop.

If he's bluffing, I see no reason to stop him.

[prodonkey]

12 is a pretty big raise.. and it basically committs you to the hand, especially if he flat calls.

[Rednas]

Preflop: raise to $1.25
I think 3-betting is good here for protection. Although he could have a medium pocket pair, in which case it would be better to let him bluff.

[DaycareInferno]

i think pf is a pretty big mistake. you got a dead blind behind you, and you give him better than 2:1 to play with you.

flop, i'm not sure. getting miniraised when you're oop with something like top pair really sucks. i probably call, though. i definately don't raise.

[Speedlimits]

I raise more pf since we are OOP.
Calling raise is fine.

[Dan Bitel]

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do u sweat random uNL playahs?

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No, unfortunately I don't have the time. I sweat 2 people and they are both for personal reasons.

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a re-raise gives you more info than calling.

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whtas more important, value or information?

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I think a flopped set from this villian would just call. A mid pocket pair or JJ is possible to.

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thats a very poor assumption to make (about a flopped set just calling). He will also raise quite a few midpairs preflop IMO as its been folded to him on the button...certainly 99-JJ. Also, I have no idea why you think he will raise them on the flop. I never gave you a read saying he was a moron.

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I raise more pf since we are OOP.

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agreed, the pf raise sounld be bigger. The only excuse I can give you is that he is just learning to multi-table, so for now we're just using the bet pot button for all preflop actions.

[Dan Bitel]

OK, I'll show you turn action now, but feel free to keep discussing flop if you like.

Also feel free to say if you think we should have led turn...but here we checked:

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh))

SB: $27.30
Hero (BB): $33.90
UTG: $44.45
CO: $24.65
BTN: $39.15

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q/images/graemlins/club.gif A/images/graemlins/club.gif (5 Players)
2 folds, BTN calls $0.25, SB folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $0.85</font>, BTN calls $0.60

Flop: ($1.80) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $1.20</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $3.50</font>, Hero calls $2.30

Turn: ($8.80) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $1.25</font>, Hero.....?

[Babalatexi]

That tiny bet is *always* either the nuts or a draw. Easy to find out if hero raises to $7 to charge for diamond draws and pocket pairs and folds to a shove.

[Dan Bitel]

thoughts on turn raise? What should we do now?

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh))

SB: $27.30
Hero (BB): $33.90
UTG: $44.45
CO: $24.65
BTN: $39.15

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q/images/graemlins/club.gif A/images/graemlins/club.gif (5 Players)
2 folds, BTN calls $0.25, SB folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $0.85</font>, BTN calls $0.60

Flop: ($1.80) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $1.20</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $3.50</font>, Hero calls $2.30

Turn: ($8.80) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $1.25</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $7.00</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $12.75</font>, Hero.......?

[Antinome]

I'm starting to see a real passive-aggressive pattern from villain here. A pattern that started on the flop, possibly preflop.

I think we're probably beat, but given the pot and his betting proclivities, I'm going to call 5.75 and c/c his undersized river bet.

[danny8]

i call the flop raise, I think raising the flop allows him to play perfecly. if you have a read that heas super agro then a 3bet/call shove is fine. but vs an unknown i like to call and see what he does on the turn.

most villains will check behind or bet small with stuff you beat. if he pots the turn im folding.

his turn bets obv stupidly small, i htink he has a weak made hand (small pp etc) or a draw. i raise this for value/protection. i dunno what i htink about leading turn, i pretty much never donk but i shoul dprolly work it into my game sometimes. if he calls our turn donk then river blanks im not sure what to do, our line looks kinda weak if we bet/call flop, donk turn, check river.

tiny bet/min 3bet = monster from most donks. i fold to his 3bet. we're gettin ggreat odds, but i think we're drawing dead/v.thin a lot of the time.

[Triggerle]

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I'm starting to see a real passive-aggressive pattern from villain here. A pattern that started on the flop, possibly preflop.

I think we're probably beat, but given the pot and his betting proclivities, I'm going to call 5.75 and c/c his undersized river bet.

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There's a problem with expecting a small river bet. A huge group of players at these levels will bet all streets small and then go all-in on the river once they are sure a flush won't beat them.

[gumpzilla]

[ QUOTE ]
I'm starting to see a real passive-aggressive pattern from villain here. A pattern that started on the flop, possibly preflop.

I think we're probably beat, but given the pot and his betting proclivities, I'm going to call 5.75 and c/c his undersized river bet.

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I'm not sure you're going to see an undersized bet on the river here; a lot of guys will take a cute line to the river and then just bomb it. Given effective stacks, villain shoving is a half pot bet on the river.

I'm a bit puzzled about what villain could have here that he limp called PF and now shows this much interest in. Q5 and Q3 seem very unlikely, so we'll ignore them, and give modest weight to 53. 33, perhaps, 55 is now super unlikely because of the turn 5. Possibly QQ+ (only 1 QQ), AQ, KQ, QJ? After the third bet I don't expect this to be a diamond draw anymore. Looking at that range (53/33/55/QQ+,AQ,KQ,QJ) it looks like you have enough equity given how big the pot is to stack off here. If you cut out QJ, it's close, but probably still worthwhile. So, the question is, do you get best value from worse hands by pushing now, or letting him fire again? I tend to think this guy has expressed that he's not folding, so I think shoving the turn is probably the best way to handle this; I'd rather not have the worse Qs check behind.

[maciczka]

The line of bets at turn = we are 99% behind, maybe even drawing dead

[Alexey]

sometimes people slowplay AA,KK. His bets make sense in this case, he may think of AA,KK as nuts and try to milk you.
I think we should fold.

[corsakh]

I like a call on the flop.

[Miyogi]

So far a tight passive villian has limped called on the button first in, basically minraised us on the flop then underbet min 3bet us on the turn. This is about the strongest turn line I can think of given the rest of the hand. At this point in time the only reasonable course of action is to swear at fancy playing fish and fold.

[itWASaDREAM]

as for the turn. i dont understand what we are trying to fold be check raising the turn that we are not going to fold by playing the hand on the flop. He min four bet you, and at these limits that's usually sign of a big hand trying to build a pot.

He may show up here with KQ sometimes, but i think we are behind more often then we are ahead.

[Hood_88]

The call/call line PF usually is suited connectors of a small PP, although it could mean a trapping overpair. Flop and turn to me look like a villain that is trying to extract value, so I think we are beat and have to fold. If we shove I think we are looking at something like 33 or AA/KK/QQ. A busted draw or weak Q is likely but less possible.