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Fiksdal
07-24-2007, 04:46 PM
Very early at this table, no stats yet. A couple of hands ago I 4bet AJ in a blind war vs another villain, got called, PSB shoved a 7T9 flop, got called, but ace high was good vs villains KJ.

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 4 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh))

SB: $40.25
Hero (BB): $89.21
UTG: $24.98
BTN: $50.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif (4 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $1.50</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $4.25</font>, <font color="red">UTG raises all-in to $24.98</font>, Hero folds

Pot Size: $29.48

Is there a better way to play this?
ajmargarine
07-24-2007, 04:55 PM
Call, 3b more normally, push. All better IMO than 3b'ing to $4.25.
Fiksdal
07-24-2007, 04:58 PM
why, you think it's too big? I normally add a bit when I'm OOP.
ajmargarine
07-24-2007, 05:04 PM
too small. $6 minimum to a $1.50 open.
shyturtle27
07-24-2007, 05:07 PM
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too small. $6 minimum to a $1.50 open.

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Yeah. I like to 3-bet 4x normal raise plus calls/limps in position, but it's way better to make it 3x original raise OOP.
ajmargarine
07-24-2007, 05:09 PM
Blah. ^^^^

Given Hero is bb and closing action, I would probably just "probe-shove"
shyturtle27
07-24-2007, 05:11 PM
Mixed that up, sorry. I meant 4x the original raise OOP and 3-4x IP.
Fiksdal
07-24-2007, 05:16 PM
When it comes around to me the pot is $2.25. PSB is to $3.75. Why do we have to raise so much more than pot?
shyturtle27
07-24-2007, 05:18 PM
Our hand's not that great, we are giving him odds to call with a wider range which we don't want, and we are OOP which makes everything harder if villian doesn't fold.
Sherman
07-24-2007, 05:19 PM
Looks like a textbook MTT hand to me against a shortstack.

I'd just smooth call as re-raising let's him 4-bet shove pretty wide.

Edit: Well...now I am rethinking. Being OOP sucks.
Nogatsira
07-24-2007, 05:19 PM
Oh I always 3-bet 3x his raise aswell, didnt know you have to bet it like 4x
ajmargarine
07-24-2007, 05:21 PM
PSB /= $3.75.

PSB in this hand = $5.25.
Fiksdal
07-24-2007, 05:22 PM
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PSB /= $3.75.

PSB in this hand = $5.25.

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what?
ajmargarine
07-24-2007, 05:24 PM
Sorry... Pot Sized Raise = $5.25. That's what's important here.
Fiksdal
07-24-2007, 05:26 PM
Explain please. What is the difference?
Capone
07-24-2007, 05:26 PM
interesting.
derosnec
07-24-2007, 05:29 PM
essentially you are a shortstack (well a 50bb shorstack)

so, ask yourself, should a 50bb shortstack reraise an UTG raiser with 99?
ajmargarine
07-24-2007, 05:32 PM
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Explain please. What is the difference?

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A PSB is usually referred to when there is no betting to you. Pot is $4, checks to you, you make a PSB of $4.

A PSR: Pot is $4, dude bets $1 into you. A PSR from you makes it $7 to go.

PSR: Pot + 2x villains bet = PSR
PSR: Villain faces a 2:1 call.
Capone
07-24-2007, 05:35 PM
aj interesting why is a PSR Pot + 2x villians bet though?
Fiksdal
07-24-2007, 05:37 PM
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aj interesting why is a PSR Pot + 2x villians bet though?

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yeah I was thinking current pot + 1 time villains bet also.
derosnec
07-24-2007, 05:37 PM
PSR = scroll wheel click on mouse
ajmargarine
07-24-2007, 05:43 PM
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aj interesting why is a PSR Pot + 2x villians bet though?

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That's just the way the math is. If the pot is $4 and you lead for $4 into one villian. If he calls, he is getting 2:1 on his $4.

In my above PSR example, if you made it $7 to go over his $1 lead in a $4 starting pot, villain is getting 2:1 on his $6 call.

2:1 odds is the key.