NL25: QQ facing reraise pf

[digit]

Unknown Villian, his stats are33/20/1.5 over a very small sample, 20 hands. I feel so weak folding here but his reraise is quite big which is putting me off 4 betting it, and it will be very difficult to continue OOP if the flop comes ace or king high. i'm thinking usually the only thing I'm ahead of is JJ or in a coin flip with AK. Is this a bad fold?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($35.80)
UTG ($24.85)
Hero ($32.75)
CO ($13.95)
Button ($24.50)
SB ($15.55)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls $0.25, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1.25</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $4</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $3.10

[Sphere99991]

Wow, you are insane tight. Do you always get run over this easily? First, it's not a "quite big" reraise, it's less than pot (pot = $4.35 here). Second, you can't assume every reraise means KK+. This guy is 33/20... while over a small sample, it's unlikely that his reraise range is precisely you dominated.

I call here and cr on any non A non K flop. If it comes A/K, reevaluate. If it comes Q, sweet. If it comes Jxx and he has JJ, well, that sucks, but you can't worry about it.

[digit]

yea, i guess youre right, i didnt feel great about that fold. think i just have had a couple of big losses with QQ recently. thanks for your advice

[Abelardo]

The rr is not that big and even if it was bigger I guess I'd go all in because it looks so donkish. Yo're not folding this, beware A/K flops, jsut get it in if no A or K flops, you don't have much hands on this guy but he might not be able to get away from JJ or TT.

[MrGrand]

lol what a nit
ez call it and play strong on non A or K flops
I even like shoving depending on the BTN

[Asheh]

Either push, call for a safe flop or raise. Do not fold here, ESPECIALLY NOT AT 10nl.

[Babalatexi]

Why would you push this pf? I just can't see worse hands calling except AK (rarely at NL 25) and if villain has AA/KK we're screwed. By check-raising on a non A/K-flop we get value from smaller pairs, possibly even AK who traps himself. Yes, we're still screwed if he holds AA/KK, but at least we'll get value from worse hands. If the flop comes A or K high I'd bet a little over half the pot and fold to a raise because if we check villain is almost always betting and might push us off the best hand.

[Sphere99991]

Reraise != {AA, KK, AK}

There are other hands that people 3-bet with. It depends on villain, some are looser and would 3-bet with 88+, A9s+, AJo+, KQ or stuff like that. QQ is definitely in great shape against a random villain's 3-betting range. And everyone in 25 NL would call a 4-bet shove with AK, and some even with AQ, and many with TT or JJ as well.

[monkover]

lol

[Babalatexi]

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Reraise != {AA, KK, AK}

There are other hands that people 3-bet with. It depends on villain, some are looser and would 3-bet with 88+, A9s+, AJo+, KQ or stuff like that. QQ is definitely in great shape against a random villain's 3-betting range. And everyone in 25 NL would call a 4-bet shove with AK, and some even with AQ, and many with TT or JJ as well.

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I know that his range is big, but his calling range for a 4-bet is narrow. I guess this depends on where you play, I play on a small site, maybe people are nittier there, but unless short-stacked, they won't call all-in without AA/KK (sometimes QQ) over 80% of the time. If people do in fact CALL all-in with AK, AQ and TT-JJ I should probably switch sites.

[digit]

[censored], im a donkey

[monkover]

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Reraise != {AA, KK, AK}

There are other hands that people 3-bet with. It depends on villain, some are looser and would 3-bet with 88+, A9s+, AJo+, KQ or stuff like that. QQ is definitely in great shape against a random villain's 3-betting range. And everyone in 25 NL would call a 4-bet shove with AK, and some even with AQ, and many with TT or JJ as well.

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I know that his range is big, but his calling range for a 4-bet is narrow. I guess this depends on where you play, I play on a small site, maybe people are nittier there, but unless short-stacked, they won't call all-in without AA/KK (sometimes QQ) over 80% of the time. If people do in fact CALL all-in with AK, AQ and TT-JJ I should probably switch sites.

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yeah 4betting is pretty bad here against standard villain.