NL50 is there any worse flop for AA?

[Panic__NL]

Villian is 26/10/1.3, how do we play this?

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
5 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)

Stack sizes:
UTG: $81.55
CO: $45.10
Button: $53.90
SB: $18.80
Hero: $78.20

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif A/images/graemlins/club.gif
2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises to $2</font>, SB folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $6.75</font>, Button calls.

Flop: Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif J/images/graemlins/heart.gif T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif ($13.75, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $11</font>, Button calls.

Turn: 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif ($35.75, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets $10</font>, Hero calls.

River: J/images/graemlins/spade.gif ($55.75, 2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

Results:
Final pot: $55.75

[Capone]

As played I like making at $30 river bet.

[restless]

i think its fine. your oop, with a really ugly flop that is likely to hit your opponent. i might even check the flop cause i'd hate to get blown off by KK. id look to get to showdown at a minimal price if possible. i wouldn't look for a thin valuebet on the river here, i just dont think you'd get called enough when you're ahead.

[ghostface]

make it 8 preflop?

[joelav128]

i like the way you played the hand

[lsaw2]

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i like the way you played the hand

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As played I like making at $30 river bet.

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Why? What calls us other than Qx hands that we beat? His turn bet is really weak but what makes you want to lead river? Are we bet/insta folding? I'd much rather c/c

[Sphere99991]

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i like the way you played the hand

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As played I like making at $30 river bet.

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Why? What calls us other than Qx hands that we beat? His turn bet is really weak but what makes you want to lead river? Are we bet/insta folding? I'd much rather c/c

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I agree. c/c is the best here, and hope he's betting with KQ rather than KJ.

And there are certainly worse flops for AA. If you have the red aces and flop is J/images/graemlins/spade.gifT/images/graemlins/spade.gif9/images/graemlins/spade.gif that's pretty awful imo.

[sightless]

i play it the same way

[danny8]

whats your plan if he makes a larger turn bet?

whats your plan if he shoves the river, $25 into a $55 pot?

[CowsFTW]

*grunch* (didn't look at other replies)
I like your play. I don't see any value in betting the river.

[monkover]

prefer a c/c on the flop. i just don´t see any value in cbetting. which worse hands call us? how many legit draws are there in villain´s hand?

[monkeymaps]

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prefer a c/c on the flop. i just don´t see any value in cbetting. which worse hands call us? how many legit draws are there in villain´s hand?

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I agree that there arent alot of hands villian can have that we can bet for value agianst BUT:

c/c flop ok? what is our turn/river action un-improved I agree with your statement but c/c down line seems so gross.

[monkover]

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prefer a c/c on the flop. i just don´t see any value in cbetting. which worse hands call us? how many legit draws are there in villain´s hand?

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I agree that there arent alot of hands villian can have that we can bet for value agianst BUT:

c/c flop ok? what is our turn/river action un-improved I agree with your statement but c/c down line seems so gross.

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well on a blank turn i´m obv betting my hand. It´s stong but vulnerable and on the flop we don´t have a lot of equity vs villain´s range. this changes dramatically on a blank turn though. so bet our strong hand.

[monkeymaps]

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prefer a c/c on the flop. i just don´t see any value in cbetting. which worse hands call us? how many legit draws are there in villain´s hand?

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I agree that there arent alot of hands villian can have that we can bet for value agianst BUT:

c/c flop ok? what is our turn/river action un-improved I agree with your statement but c/c down line seems so gross.

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well on a blank turn i´m obv betting my hand. It´s stong but vulnerable and on the flop we don´t have a lot of equity vs villain´s range. this changes dramatically on a blank turn though. so bet our strong hand.

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k but that goes agianst your original statement that there arent many lagit draws villian can have so I dont think a blank turn really helps our equity much.

not trying to bust on you Im just trying to figure out a way to not bet this flop that makes sense.

[Fetzi]

what he have btw?

AQ?

[relativity_x]

lead turn and evaulate river.

[Panic__NL]

WOW!! thanks for all the great input, I realy could not see many worse hands call a bet, so maybe even the flop was a c/c, but that just seemed so weak and it is possible he is drawing so a bet is ok there I think.
He bets the blank turn realy weak, so I get the feeling my hand is good there and glad to see villian checks behind on the river.

Here a similar hand against a 18/10/3.7 over 323 hands, again how do you like my play?

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No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)

Stack sizes:
UTG: $116.30
UTG+1: $25.45
CO: $48.90
Button: $49.25
SB: $51.85
Hero: $105.55

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif A/images/graemlins/club.gif
2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises to $1.75</font>, 2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $6</font>, CO calls.

Flop: Q/images/graemlins/club.gif 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif J/images/graemlins/club.gif ($12.25, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $9</font>, CO calls.

Turn: K/images/graemlins/heart.gif ($30.25, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.

River: 4/images/graemlins/club.gif ($30.25, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">CO bets $21.75</font>, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: $73.75